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ヘリテージ・インシュアランス(HRTG)2026年第3四半期決算説明会:再保険コスト低下でEPS上昇

Oct 30, 2026 8:04 AM
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ヘリテージ・インシュアランス・ホールディングスの2026年第3四半期は、純利益が5,110万ドル、希薄化後EPSが1.72ドルへと増加した。気象関連損失が増加したものの、再保険コストの削減や引受 disciplin により、正味コンバインド・レシオは73.0%と安定を維持した。フロリダ州の商業用住宅保険は競争激化により保険料が減少した一方、州外展開や個人向け保険の改善が進む。経営陣は2027年の個人向け契約件数の増加回復を見込み、健全な資本基盤を背景に有機的成長と株主還元を継続する方針である。

AI生成要約

要約

  • ヘリテージ・インシュアランス・ホールディングスが発表した2026年第3四半期の純利益は5,110万ドルとなり、前年同期の5,040万ドルから増加した。希薄化後1株当たり利益(EPS)は、希薄化後発行済株式数が4%減少したことも寄与し、5.5%増の1.72ドルとなった。
  • 支払再保険料が11.8%減少したことから、既獲得正味保険料は5.4%増の2億560万ドルに増加した。6月の再保険プログラムによるコスト削減効果が四半期通して初めて反映され、出再保険料率は4.4ポイント低下して41.7%となった。
  • 税引前カタストロフィ損失は合計1,580万ドル、当四半期の気象・カタストロフィ損失合計は3,360万ドルに達した。気象関連損失が増加したものの、正味コンバインド・レシオは73.0%と概ね安定した水準を維持した。
  • フロリダ州の商業用住宅保険の保有契約保険料は、積極的な価格設定により前年同期比で約16%減少したが、契約件数および保険金額は増加した。経営陣は、契約ボリュームよりも引受収益性を引き続き優先すると述べた。
  • 1株当たり純資産(BPS)は前年同期比42.9%増の20.22ドルに達した。株主資本は5億9,910万ドルとなり、長期有利子負債資本比率は10.5%に改善した。
  • 経営陣は、営業を再開した地域やテキサス州を含む市場への拡大に支えられ、2027年には個人向け保険の契約件数の増加が再開すると引き続き見込んでいる。

主要財務データ

指標2026年第3四半期前年同期比 / 補足
純利益5,110万ドル前年同期の5,040万ドルから増加
希薄化後EPS1.72ドル前年同期の1.63ドルから5.5%増
総収益2億1,920万ドル3.2%増
元受計上保険料3億2,280万ドル3.1%減
既獲得元受保険料3億5,280万ドル前年同期の3億6,200万ドルから減少
既獲得正味保険料2億560万ドル5.4%増
支払再保険料1億4,720万ドル11.8%減
出再保険料率41.7%4.4ポイント低下
純投資収益1,140万ドル17.3%増
正味損害率39.6%前年同期の38.3%から上昇
正味事業費率33.4%1.2ポイント改善
正味コンバインド・レシオ73.0%前年同期は72.9%
年率換算平均自己資本利益率(ROE)35.1%2026年第3四半期
1株当たり純資産(BPS)20.22ドル前年同期比42.9%増

2026年最初の9ヶ月間(第1〜第3四半期累計)の純利益は16%近く増加し1億4,930万ドルとなった。希薄化後EPSは18.5%増の4.94ドルとなり、年率換算平均ROEは36.1%であった。

事業・業績の動向

当四半期には、当期発生分の気象・カタストロフィ損失が3,360万ドル含まれており、前年同期の1,380万ドルから増加した。これにはハリケーン「ララ(Lala)」および「ロウェル(Lowell)」による910万ドル、9月のノースイースター(爆弾低気圧)による670万ドル、および非カタストロフィ系気象損失1,780万ドルが含まれる。また、ヘリテージは前年度準備金の戻入(好都合な準備金変動)1,400万ドルを計上した(2025年第3四半期は500万ドル)。

6月に手配した再保険では、22億ドルを超える補償限度額と年間約6,300万ドルのコスト削減がもたらされた。支払再保険料の減少が既獲得元受保険料の減少を補い、既獲得正味保険料の増加を後押しした。

フロリダ州の商業用住宅保険は、引き続き売上高の主な下押し要因となった。新たな引受能力の流入と積極的な価格競争が料率に影響を与えたため、保有契約保険料は前年同期比で約16%減少した。ただし、契約件数と保険金額は増加していることから、この減少は基礎的な営業活動の低下ではなく価格設定を反映したものである。

フロリダ州以外では、ニュージャージー州の商業用保有契約保険料が2026年中に約12%増加した。ヘリテージはニューヨーク州やハワイ州でも商業用保険の成長を報告したほか、最近サウスカロライナ州に進出した。同社全体の保険料の半分以上は、全米17州の事業基盤においてフロリダ州外で引き受けられている。

個人用住宅保険の動向は改善した。当四半期におけるヘリテージの個人向け保険契約数の減少は約2,900件となり、前年同期の減少幅の半分以下にとどまった。保有契約保険料はわずかに増加し、1契約当たりの平均保険料は5%近く上昇した。

ヘリテージは7月にテキサス州で初となるE&S(エクセス&サープラス)保険契約を引き受け、当四半期中に86件の契約を発行した。経営陣は短期的貢献は限定的と見込んでいるものの、既存の代理店関係に支えられた中長期的な成長機会としてテキサス州を捉えている。

業績見通し

経営陣は、営業再開地域および新市場の拡大に伴い、2027年には個人向け保険の契約件数が再び増加に転じると引き続き見込んでいる。

フロリダ州の商業用住宅保険の更新について、経営陣は現在の市場環境に基づき、2027年にかけて保険料率がさらに10%〜18%低下する可能性があると述べた。それにもかかわらず、同社は値下げにもかかわらず損害率が足元で下げ止まっていることを挙げ、当該事業は収益性を維持していると説明した。

経営陣は、足元の出再保険料率(41%台半ば)を適切なランレート(定常水準)とみなしている。次回の再保険更新後にはさらに低下する可能性があり、これが2027年後半の業績にプラス寄与する可能性があるとみている。

初期段階の市場対話に基づき、経営陣は来年の再保険料率が約5%〜7%下落し、最終的に5%〜8%の減少幅で安定する可能性があると述べた。ただし、1月1日の更新以降に見通しがより明確になるだろうと補足した。

フロリダ州の商業用保険の価格下押し圧力を背景に、全体の保険料成長率は一桁台の比較的なだらかな水準にとどまると予想される。経営陣は、代理店網がすでに整っているためテキサス州の成長スピードは以前のカリフォルニア州展開よりも速くなる可能性があると述べたが、短期的には著しい業績貢献は見込んでいない。

リスクおよび注視事項

  • フロリダ州の商業用住宅保険の価格設定は、新規参入による引受能力の増大と激しい競合により引き続き下押し圧力に晒されている。
  • 2027年には、新規参入の保険会社が引き継ぎ事業(テイクアウト活動)から自主引受事業へと拡大するにつれ、フロリダ州の個人向け保険における競争が激化する可能性がある。
  • 四半期の気象・カタストロフィ損失の増加が示すように、気象のボラティリティ(変動性)は引き続き大きい。
  • 金利上昇により固定利付債ポートフォリオのその他の包括利益累計損が増加したが、経営陣は未実現損失の原因を信用力ではなく金利変動によるものとしている。
  • 将来の再保険コスト削減は、市場の引受能力、ハリケーン等の発生状況、および更新時の料率設定に引き続き依存する。

アナリスト質疑応答の要点

経営陣によると、非カタストロフィ系気象損失は主に比較的小規模な降雹や強風によるものであり、北東部で600万ドル弱、東南部(主にフロリダ州)で1,200万ドル強を占めた。

北東部への拡大について、同社はサウスカロライナ州での事業開始に加え、ニューヨーク州、ニュージャージー州、ハワイ州における商業用保険の成長を強調した。フロリダ州外での個人用住宅保険の成長は主に北東部が牽引し、ハワイ州も一定の貢献を果たした。

NBICの年末のクォータ・シェア(比例再保険)更新について、経営陣は近年、出再比率が約5%〜7%引き下げられており、価格設定次第では同程度の削減が行われる可能性があると述べた。

ヘリテージはペンサコーラやデスティン地域でのリスクエクスポージャーが比較的小さいため、経営陣はハリケーン「アイザイアス(Isaias)」による損失は限定的と見込んでいる。

ヘリテージの当四半期末時点の規制対象外現金は5,800万ドル、法定剰余金合計は4億7,490万ドル、利用可能な借入枠は9,000万ドルとなった。年初来の自社株買いは累計約110万株(2,790万ドル分)となり、2026年12月31日までの授権枠に基づき3,410万ドルが残されている。

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経営陣による説明

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Heritage Insurance Holdings Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. Please note, today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kirk Lusk, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Kirk Lusk

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. We invite you to visit the investors section of our website, investors.heritagepci.com, where the earnings release and our earnings call will be archived. These materials are available for replay or review at your convenience.

Today's call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based upon management's current expectations and subject to uncertainty and changes in circumstances. In our earnings press release and our SEC filings, we detail material risks that may cause our future results to differ from our expectations. Our statements are as of today, and we have no obligation to update any forward-looking statements we may make.

For a description of the forward-looking statements and the risks that could cause our results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements, please refer to our annual report on Form 10-K earnings release and other SEC filings. Our comments today will also include non-GAAP financial measures. The reconciliations of, and other information regarding these measures can be found in our press release.

With me on the call today is Ernie Garateix, our Chief Executive Officer.

I'll now turn the call over to Ernie.

Ernesto Garateix

Thanks, Kirk, and good morning, everyone. Over the last several years, we have taken deliberate steps to improve our profitability, reduce volatility and build a more diversified and resilient company. After a quiet storm season last year, the third quarter brought catastrophe activity, including 2 hurricanes in Hawaii and the Northeastern.

As a result, we absorbed $15.8 million of pretax catastrophe losses compared with none in the third quarter of last year and still grew diluted earnings per share to $1.72, up from $1.63 in the year ago quarter. Net income was $51.1 million, up slightly from last year's $50.4 million. Through the first 9 months of the year, we have generated net income of $149.3 million, up nearly 16%, while diluted earnings per share increased 18.5% to $4.94.

Our annualized return on average equity was 36.1% year-to-date and book value per share reached $20.22, up almost 43% from a year ago. Three elements of our strategy contributed to the quarter's results, underwriting discipline, diversification and our reinsurance program. First, our underwriting discipline. Excluding catastrophes, weather and prior year development, our loss ratio improved by nearly 4 points in the quarter. This improvement came despite significant pricing pressure in Florida's commercial residential market, which I'll discuss shortly. It reflects years of disciplined rate setting, risk selection and claims management as well as Florida's improved legal environment. Second, diversification.

Heritage is a super regional carrier with a diverse portfolio of policies across 17 states. We write business on a surplus lines basis in 5 states. More than half of our premium is written outside of Florida, including other states in the Southeast, the Northeast, the Mid-Atlantic, Hawaii and our excess and surplus line platforms. That diversification has made our earnings more durable while also providing more flexibility to allocate capital towards markets and products where we see the most attractive risk-adjusted returns.

Third, our reinsurance program. The program we placed in June with more than $2.2 billion of limit and approximately $63 million of annualized savings is working as intended. It lowered our cost of protection while keeping our net retention at a manageable level. The third quarter was the first full quarter of those savings, and our ceded premium ratio fell to 41.7% from 46.1% a year ago.

Now let me turn to market conditions, starting with the Florida commercial residential market because it is the biggest moving part of our top line this quarter. The market has become very competitive with new capacity and aggressive pricing. This has pressured our commercial premium in force, down about 16% from a year ago, even though our policy count and insured values are up. That tells you the decline in premium is being driven by price, not a reduction in the underlying business we are writing. We have been very clear on these earnings calls. We will not chase underpriced business, and that will not change. We have walked away from accounts where the price no longer supports an adequate return, and we will continue to do so.

I believe our geographic reach, which provides us with numerous opportunities to grow our commercial and personal residential business in markets where pricing and returns remain attractive is undervalued. We are selectively adding new territories outside of Florida to expand our commercial product offering. This includes product offerings on an admitted as well as surplus lines basis. In New Jersey, for example, our commercial premium in-force has grown about 12% this year. Turning to the personal residential market. Trends continue to move in the right direction as the pace of policy count decline has slowed substantially.

In the third quarter, we lost roughly 2,900 personal lines policies, less than half the decline of a year ago. Premium in-force is up slightly and average premium per policy is up almost 5%. Nearly all of our territories are open for new business and agents in reopened markets continue to tell us they want to place more business with Heritage. Based on those trends, we continue to expect a return to personal lines policy count growth in 2027. We are also beginning to leverage our platform and capabilities in new markets. In Texas, we wrote our first excess and surplus lines policy in July and 86 policies written during the quarter.

While it is still early and the contribution will be modest this year, the reception from agents has been strong. We believe Texas represents another attractive long-term growth opportunity where we can leverage our underwriting expertise and existing agent relationships while continuing to expand our geographic reach. Turning to capital. Our position has never been stronger. We ended the third quarter with shareholders' equity of $599 million and a debt-to-capital ratio of 10.5% Year-to-date, we have repurchased about 1.1 million shares for $27.9 million, representing roughly 3.6% of shares outstanding at the start of the year, and we have $34.1 million remaining under our current authorization.

Looking forward, our priorities are unchanged. First, we will continue to invest in profitable organic growth as our reopened territories and new markets scale. Second, we will continue to repurchase shares when we believe our stock trades below intrinsic value. Third, we will maintain a strong balance sheet that allows us to absorb weather events without changing course. In closing, we delivered solid earnings and continued book value growth in the third quarter with weather activity returning to a level higher than last year. We are confident in the path ahead and remain focused on disciplined underwriting, smart capital allocation and building long-term value for our shareholders. I want to thank our employees, especially our claims team, who supported policyholders through this storm season, along with our agents, reinsurance partners and shareholders.

Kirk, back to you.

Kirk Lusk

Thank you, Ernie, and good morning, everyone. For the third quarter, Heritage reported net income of $51.1 million or $1.72 per diluted share compared with $50.4 million or $1.63 per diluted share in the prior year quarter. Despite the higher level of weather activity, as Ernie discussed, diluted earnings per share increased 5.5%, aided by a 4% reduction in diluted shares outstanding from our share repurchase program.

For the first 9 months of 2026, net income was $149.3 million or $4.94 per diluted share compared with $128.9 million or $4.17 per diluted share a year ago. The annualized return on average equity was 35.1% for the quarter and 36.1% year-to-date. The quarterly figure is lower than last year's 49.2% at the third quarter of 2025 because average equity is more than 40% higher, not because of a decline in earnings. Total revenue increased 3.2% to $219.2 million from an increase in net earned premiums and investment income.

Net realized gains and losses included a nonrecurring $2.7 million gain in the prior year quarter, which had a negative comparable impact on revenue in the current quarter. Gross premiums written were $322.8 million, down 3.1%, primarily reflecting lower Florida commercial residential premium, partially offset by growth in personal lines and non-Florida commercial markets. Gross premiums earned were $352.8 million compared with $362 million in the year ago quarter.

Ceded premiums declined 11.8% to $147.2 million, reflecting the first full quarter of savings from our June catastrophe excess of loss program and the reduction of our Northeast net quota share at year-end 2025. The ceded premium ratio was 41.7%, down 4.4 points from a year ago. As a result, net premiums earned increased 5.4% to $205.6 million. Net investment income rose 17.3% to $11.4 million, driven by a larger portfolio as average cash and invested assets were about $185 million higher than a year ago. Cash and invested assets totaled $1.4 billion at quarter end, and the fixed income portfolio has an average duration of 3.3 years and remains high quality.

Net losses and loss adjustment expense were $81.4 million compared with $74.8 million in the prior year quarter, and the net loss ratio was 39.6% compared with 38.3% in the prior year quarter. Current accident quarter weather and catastrophe losses totaled $33.6 million compared with $13.8 million a year ago. That included $9.1 million from Hurricanes Lala and Lowell and $6.7 million from the September Nor'easter, along with $17.8 million of non-catastrophe weather. Those losses were largely offset by favorable development. We recognized $14 million of net favorable prior year reserve development compared with $5 million a year ago in the third quarter.

The development is spread across several accident years and continues to reflect stable frequency, manageable severity and claims closing below our expectations. We consider that a strong result, especially given the pricing pressure in the Florida commercial residential market. The net expense ratio improved 1.2 points to 33.4%. Policy acquisition costs were essentially flat at $45.1 million as lower premium volume offset by $1.2 million of lower ceding commissions from the reduced net quota share. General and administrative expenses rose 5.2% to $23.5 million, reflecting higher comp and related expenses and temporary staffing, partially offset by a nonrecurring $1 million refund of corporate reinsurance premium.

The net combined ratio was relatively flat at 73% compared to 72.9% in the prior year quarter despite the higher net loss ratio of 1.3%. The effective tax rate was 24.5% compared to 26.2% in the prior year quarter, reflecting the level of pretax income and permanent items. Shareholders' equity was $599.1 million at September 30, and book value per share was $20.22, up 23.4% from year-end and up 42.9% from a year ago. The increase from year-end reflects strong earnings, partially offset by $27.9 million of share repurchases and $22.7 million increase in accumulated other comprehensive loss, net of tax, representing higher unrealized losses on the fixed income portfolio.

Those unrealized losses are driven by rising interest rates, not credit, and we expect them to reverse as securities mature since we do not anticipate selling investments prior to maturity. During the quarter, we purchased 100,000 shares for $3.3 million, bringing year-to-date repurchases to 1,101,508 shares for $27.9 million. We have $34.1 million remaining under our authorization, which runs through December 31, 2026. Long-term debt was $70.4 million, down $8 million since year-end. Our long-term debt-to-capital ratio improved to 10.5% from 15.3% a year ago. We also continue to have $75 million of undrawn delayed draw term loan capacity as well as $15 million available on our revolving credit facility.

Nonregulated cash at quarter end was $58 million and combined statutory surplus was $474.9 million compared with $439.4 million at June 30. To summarize, we delivered solid earnings in a quarter with more normal weather activity, grew book value per share, returned capital to shareholders and further strengthened the balance sheet. As we head into year-end, we are well capitalized. Our reinsurance program is in place through May of 2027, and we see attractive opportunities to continue our progress.

Operator, we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Karol Chmiel with Citizens.

質疑応答

Karol Chmiel

I got 2 questions. First one regarding the weather losses, it was a total of $33.6 million, I believe, total and of which only $15.8 million were the actual cat losses in Hawaii and the Northeast. So I'm just wanting to know, can you give more color on the balance of the weather losses outside of the cats?

And then maybe you can help define those losses and how you define them internally?

Kirk Lusk

Yes. Those are just typically much smaller events. And we had about probably $6 million, just under $6 million in the Northeast and a little over like $12 million in the Southeast, predominantly in Florida. And so those are just smaller storms, either hail, wind, that stuff where we just have some smaller losses.

Karol Chmiel

Okay. So it's a compilation of different losses throughout the East Coast. Okay. And then just my second question would be just the growth comment that Ernie made regarding New Jersey. Is there any more that you want to maybe share about your growth in the Northeast?

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. So that comment was specifically to the commercial lines. We made the comment about where Florida is and the aggressive pricing and the competition there. So we've been growing with the commercial book in other regions such as New York, New Jersey, Hawaii and just launched South Carolina as well.

Karol Chmiel

Okay. And then just lastly, just in general, because I think there was a comment in the press release that personal residential is offsetting the pressures of the Florida commercial residential. Is there any particular region that you want to maybe mention that is contributing to that balance?

Kirk Lusk

I mean it's mostly the Northeast, but the Hawaii did have a little bit of impact there also.

Operator

The next question comes from Mitchell Rubin with Raymond James.

Mitchell Rubin

This is Mitch on for Greg. Congrats on the quarter. What rate changes are you achieving on Florida commercial residential today? And how does that compare with earlier in the year?

Kirk Lusk

The retention rates are in the mid-80s, and they're actually above where they were previously. So it's improved slightly. Although I must admit, when we look going forward, we are expecting it to not climb significantly from where it is just from a retention standpoint. Our new business has been strong, and we actually expect possibly that we can pick up a little bit more on the new business side.

Mitchell Rubin

I'm sorry, I was looking for the renewal rate, not retention.

Kirk Lusk

The renewal rate -- the price rate.

Mitchell Rubin

Yes.

Kirk Lusk

Yes. Okay. I mean we're expecting that to continue to decrease. I think that if we look kind of into next year, I think that you could be looking at another 10% to 18% based upon kind of what we're seeing right now. We're hoping it holds a little bit more.

One of the things that we are seeing, which is very favorable to that book of business is even with the price decreases, we are not seeing much of an increase in the loss ratio. It did creep up a little bit a couple of quarters, but it seems to be leveled off. And so therefore, even with the price decreases, it is a profitable book of business.

Mitchell Rubin

Makes sense. As you approach NBIC's year-end quota share renewal, how are you thinking about your target session level?

Kirk Lusk

We've been dropping that in the last couple of years by anywhere from 5% to 7%. And based upon pricing, I think that we probably look at something comparable.

Operator

The next question comes from Maxwell Fritscher with Truist.

Maxwell Fritscher

I am calling in for Mark Hughes. I'm sorry if I missed this in the prepared remarks, but are there any early indications on losses from Hurricane Isaias earlier this month?

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. So to begin with, we don't have a lot of exposures up there. Just to give you kind of a perspective, we did go up there in the Pensacola Destin area. We had a hurricane cat team there. They had 2 insurance villages. One was closed down. This destin was closed down within 3 days. Pensacola last a little bit longer, but we don't expect a lot of losses from that area just because we don't have a lot of exposures there.

Maxwell Fritscher

Great. And then what are your thoughts more broadly around top line trajectory, puts and takes with the Florida commercial pricing? Are you expecting that to inflect positively in gross premiums written in 4Q? And then should we expect any material contribution from the Texas product in '27?

Kirk Lusk

I hesitant to say it's going to be material, but I think it is going to be positive over a period of time. I think that when we look at it, it's -- historically speaking, it took us about 4 years to get to $40 million of premium in California. I would expect Texas has the potential to grow a little faster than that because we already had a distribution network there of existing agents.

So I think that, that could accelerate a little further. I think that when we look at some of the price decreases, some of the competitive pressures, that type stuff, I mean I think our growth is going to be relatively minor. So we're talking about into the single digits.

Maxwell Fritscher

And then on the ceded premium ratio, how do you expect that to trend as premiums grows mid-41s? Is that a good run rate? Or would you expect that to go any lower?

Kirk Lusk

I think that's a good run rate. I think that we'll see what the renewal looks like next year. I think that there's a good possibility it could be down a little further next year. So that would have a favorable impact towards the second half of next year.

Operator

The next question comes from Cam Bianchi with Piper Sandler.

Cameron Bianchi

This is Cam on for Paul. Congrats on the quarter. Curious if you could elaborate on any incremental competition in the Florida personal market, if any?

Ernesto Garateix

I'm sorry, it was competition on the personal lines market?

Cameron Bianchi

Yes, yes, in Florida.

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. So again, in Florida, we have seen more competition come in over 20 new companies over the last 2 years. Most of those companies have been focused on the takeout. We have not done a takeout since 2018. But what we do expect into '27 is some of those start to write new voluntary business out there.

So we're starting to see some of these new companies out there, which again is why our focus has been on the diversification launch into Texas and expanding our product lines through our geographic footprint.

Cameron Bianchi

Got it. And then on your footprint outside of Florida, what geographies do you find to be most attractive at this point in time? And where are you seeing the most growth outside of Florida?

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. So it is pretty spread, again, attractive in the Northeast where we are rate adequate. The Northeast, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut has been growing for us. Hawaii is rate adequate as well. They've seen some growth out there as well.

So we're pretty optimistic about the entire footprint and where we're at. The one thing is we will remain underwriters and make sure that, again, that we're getting pricing where it's attractive based on risk return.

Cameron Bianchi

Got it. Just one more for me. It looks like you're prioritizing profitability over growth in commercial residential. What would it take for the tides to change in that market from a growth perspective?

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. It's a great question in the sense that there are new entrants into that market. And again, there's going to be -- my opinion, would be some external market conditions that would change, whether that's an event, whether that's reinsurance pricing. But again, we remain disciplined and become underwriters first and foremost and understand what that risk return is going to be out there.

And I think the agents have valued that. Our PIP count is actually up even given some of the pricing being down.

Operator

The next question comes from Brendan McCarthy with Sidoti & Company.

Brendan Michael McCarthy

I just have a quick question on the reinsurance savings. I think you outlined about $63 million in reinsurance savings secured this year. What kind of runway for additional savings do you see in 2027 and beyond? And maybe kind of touch on what markets are driving those savings?

Kirk Lusk

Okay. I think that right now, what we're hearing is that because of the lack of storms, some additional capacity coming into the marketplace, I mean, I think we're hearing it could be down anywhere from a minus 5% to minus 7% next year. And based upon the trend, I mean, it's possible it could be higher than that. I think that most people are looking for -- hopefully, it's going to stabilize a little bit around that minus 5% to minus 8%, which would then help us again a little bit more next year.

To give you an idea, this year was -- the reduction was up around 20%. So therefore, that's why it was the larger number. So we would expect a decrease next year, but not to the same extent as this year.

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. And we would expect after the 1/1 renewals to get a better idea of that. So we're still a little early in the stages, but having discussions with reinsurers as we speak.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ernie Garateix for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Ernesto Garateix

Yes. We'd like to thank you for joining the call. I hope everyone has a great day.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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