Teleconferência de Resultados do 3T26 da United Community Banks (UCB): Crescimento de Empréstimos e Guidance de EPS para o 4T

Principais destaques

• O lucro operacional subiu para US$ 0,77 por ação, ante US$ 0,71 no 2º trimestre de 2026. A administração projeta um LPA no 4º trimestre de US$ 0,80 a US$ 0,83.
• Os empréstimos core, excluindo a venda da Navitas e a aquisição da Peach State, cresceram a uma taxa anualizada de 10%, o ritmo mais forte desde 2022. As contratações recentes geraram cerca de US$ 170 milhões e contribuíram para aproximadamente 40% do crescimento do crédito financiado.
• Os depósitos core, excluindo a Peach State, aumentaram US$ 473 milhões, ou 8% anualizados. A relação entre empréstimos e depósitos core encerrou o trimestre em 77%.
• A receita líquida de juros aumentou US$ 10,3 milhões em relação ao trimestre anterior, enquanto a margem líquida de juros se manteve em 3,68%. A administração projeta a NIM do 4º trimestre na faixa intermediária de 3,70%.
• As métricas de crédito permaneceram sólidas. As baixas líquidas caíram para US$ 4 milhões, ou 9 pontos-base dos empréstimos médios, ante US$ 7,9 milhões no 2º trimestre.
• A United concluiu a venda da Navitas e a reestruturação de títulos para reduzir os riscos de crédito e de taxa de juros. O rendimento dos títulos ao final do trimestre alcançou aproximadamente 4,2%.

Dados Financeiros Principais

Desempenho Operacional e de Negócios

A concessão de empréstimos superou US$ 1 bilhão pelo segundo trimestre consecutivo. Funcionários contratados durante o último ano geraram aproximadamente US$ 170 milhões da concessão do 3º trimestre. A administração disse que seu plano de crescimento orgânico de cinco anos visa aumentar o número de vendedores em cerca de 10% ao ano, ou cerca de 20 pessoas por ano.

O rendimento reportado dos empréstimos foi de 6,06% no trimestre. O rendimento de setembro foi de 5,83%, refletindo a carteira após a venda da Navitas. Novos empréstimos estavam sendo originados a aproximadamente 6,25%, enquanto a administração disse que a pressão competitiva sobre a precificação de empréstimos havia se estabilizado recentemente.

Os depósitos totais aumentaram US$ 1,2 bilhão, incluindo o Peach State. Excluindo os saldos adquiridos, os depósitos no mercado monetário subiram US$ 366 milhões, e os depósitos à vista essenciais aumentaram US$ 111 milhões, ou 6,9% anualizados. Os depósitos sem incidência de juros permaneceram em aproximadamente 27% dos depósitos totais.

O custo médio total dos depósitos foi de 1,69%, uma alta de 3 pontos-base em relação ao trimestre anterior. O custo médio dos depósitos remunerados foi de 2,31%, uma alta de 4 pontos-base. Novos depósitos estavam sendo captados a taxas na faixa média a alta de 2%.

O United vendeu US$ 2,5 bilhões em títulos de longa duração com rendimento de cerca de 2,2% e reinvestiu a uma taxa média acima de 4,6%, com uma duration esperada de aproximadamente dois anos. O rendimento dos títulos aumentou 37 pontos-base para 3,34% durante o T3 e atingiu cerca de 4,2% no final do trimestre. A diretoria considera US$ 6,8 bilhões a US$ 7,0 bilhões um tamanho de carteira adequado, sujeito ao crescimento do crédito.

Após a reestruturação, cerca de metade das carteiras de empréstimos e títulos passou a ter taxa flutuante. A diretoria afirmou que isso aumentou a sensibilidade dos ativos do banco e posicionou os lucros para se beneficiarem de taxas mais altas, enquanto a reprecificação de ativos de taxa fixa deve proporcionar um vento a favor adicional.

Orientação da Administração

A diretoria espera um LPA no T4 de 2026 de US$ 0,80 a US$ 0,83, sustentado pelo crescimento da receita líquida antes de provisões. A perspectiva pressupõe um aumento de 25 pontos-base na taxa do Federal Reserve em dezembro.

A margem financeira líquida no T4 está projetada na faixa média de 3,70% , refletindo um trimestre completo da reestruturação de títulos e da aquisição do Peach State, a ausência da Navitas, o crescimento do balanço e taxas mais elevadas.

As despesas operacionais do núcleo devem ficar na faixa inferior de US$ 150 milhões no T4. A diretoria citou a eliminação do ritmo trimestral de despesas da Navitas de aproximadamente US$ 9 milhões, parcialmente compensada pelo ritmo de aproximadamente US$ 5 milhões do Peach State. A longo prazo, a empresa mencionou um crescimento típico de despesas de cerca de 3,5%, além de investimentos adicionais.

A taxa efetiva de imposto do T4 deve se normalizar para a faixa alta dos 22%. A apropriação da contabilidade de aquisição deve ficar em aproximadamente US$ 5 milhões por trimestre.

A meta da administração para o crescimento orgânico dos empréstimos está na faixa alta de um dígito. A empresa também reiterou a meta de alcançar mais de 15% de ROTCE por meio do aumento do lucro, em vez de apenas reduzir o capital para atingir esse patamar.

Riscos e Pontos de Atenção

A administração afirmou que mais 100 pontos-base de aumento nas taxas de juros poderiam começar a pressionar a atividade no setor imobiliário comercial, especialmente empréstimos para construção, à medida que a viabilidade financeira dos projetos se torna menos atrativa. Parte dessa pressão poderia ser compensada por saques de empréstimos para construção e pela demanda por empréstimos mini-perm de dois a três anos.

Os custos de depósitos podem subir à medida que as taxas aumentam e os certificados de depósito vencem. A administração citou um beta histórico de depósitos remunerados de aproximadamente 59%, embora espere que o desempenho no curto prazo permaneça abaixo desse patamar.

A expectativa é que a atividade de crédito imobiliário recue cerca de 10% a 20%, dependendo do trimestre e do ano, se as taxas se mantiverem elevadas. A expectativa é que os prêmios sobre a venda de empréstimos da SBA permaneçam amplamente estáveis.

Os empréstimos sob crítica e classificados podem oscilar em torno da faixa histórica de 3% a 3,5%. A administração caracterizou o nível do trimestre anterior de 2,5% como atipicamente baixo, e não como uma taxa de execução sustentável.

Destaques das Perguntas e Respostas dos Analistas

• Capacidade de crescimento: A administração afirmou que o índice de empréstimos sobre depósitos de 77% proporciona flexibilidade substancial para financiar a expansão orgânica, enquanto continua a expandir os depósitos de relacionamento junto com os empréstimos.
• Sensibilidade às taxas de juros: Taxas de curto prazo mais altas devem sustentar o rendimento dos ativos, pois cerca de metade dos empréstimos e títulos possui taxa flutuante. A administração vê potencial para maior expansão da margem financeira líquida (NIM) após o 4º trimestre, dependendo da concorrência por depósitos e do ritmo das altas de juros.
• Alocação de capital: A empresa recomprou aproximadamente US$ 50 milhões em ações ordinárias durante o 3º trimestre. Sua autorização restante totaliza US$ 113 milhões até o final de 2027, e a administração espera continuar ativa nos patamares atuais de preço das ações, mantendo flexibilidade para aquisições.
• Perspectiva de crédito: A administração descreveu as premissas econômicas utilizadas para a CECL como estáveis a positivas. O índice de preços de imóveis comerciais da Moody's também foi descrito como prevendo preços estáveis.
• IA agêntica e depósitos: A administração não vê atualmente a movimentação de depósitos impulsionada por IA como uma ameaça de curto prazo, citando a natureza pulverizada das contas operacionais de varejo e as opções existentes de gestão de caixa para depositantes de maior porte.

Transcrição Completa da Teleconferência de Resultados

Transcrição completa da teleconferência de resultados

Comentários da administração

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to United Community Banks' Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Hosting our call today are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Lynn Harton; Chief Financial Officer, Tom Speir; Chief Banking Officer, Rich Bradshaw; and Chief Risk Officer, Rob Edwards. United's presentation today includes references to operating earnings, pretax, pre-credit earnings and other non-GAAP financial information. For these non-GAAP financial measures, United has provided a reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP financial measure in the Financial Highlights section of the earnings release as well as at the end of the investor presentation.

Both are included on the website at ucbi.com. Copies of the third quarter's earnings release and investor presentation were filed this morning on Form 8-K with the SEC, and a replay of this call will be available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website at ucbi.com. Please be aware that during this call, forward-looking statements may be made by representatives of United. Any forward-looking statements should be considered in light of risks and uncertainties described on Pages 5 and 6 of the company's 2025 Form 10-K as well as other information provided by the company in its filings with the SEC and included on its website. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Lynn Harton.

Herbert Harton

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. Many of you joined our call on September 8, where we discussed the completion of several important initiatives that put United in a stronger financial position and made the franchise more resilient. Our goals were to derisk the balance sheet, to enhance our profitability and to position the company for future growth. We're glad to be able to give you details today on the preliminary results of those actions and let you see more clearly the improvements we anticipate as we head into the fourth quarter and 2027. For the quarter, our operating earnings reached $0.77 a share, a significant improvement from the $0.71 recorded in the second quarter.

One of the drivers included strong core loan growth of 10% annualized, of which nearly 40% was driven by our new hires discussed on September 8. For comparison, our core loan growth ex Navitas was 6% in the second quarter and 4% for the year of 2025. We also had solid core deposit growth of 8% annualized. Noninterest-bearing deposits were stable as a percentage of the total and deposit costs increased very modestly despite the upward rate environment. Even without Navitas and their higher-yielding loan portfolio for the last month of the quarter, our margin was stable at 3.68% and net interest revenue increased by $10 million over the second quarter.

Credit continues to be very strong and net charge-offs were only 9 basis points, consistent with the 9 basis points in the core bank last quarter. The sale of Navitas significantly derisked the company from a credit perspective. Looking forward, we're well positioned to grow our earnings and returns. Our loan-to-deposit ratio is 77%, providing liquidity to deploy into customer relationship lending opportunities. Our capital ratios remain strong, giving us flexibility to support growth from new hires as well as optionality to return capital to shareholders and welcome additional quality in-footprint banks into the company when appropriate and available. I'd like to now turn it over to Tom Speir, our new CFO, for more detail on the quarter.

Tom Speir

Thank you, Lynn. I'm honored to have the opportunity to join this outstanding team at an important point in United's evolution. The third quarter was an important one for United as the strategic actions that were executed over the past few months position us very well to generate sustainable and profitable growth moving forward. Starting with loan growth on Page 6. We were pleased this quarter with the strong core loan growth delivered by the bank. Excluding the sale of Navitas and the addition of Peach State, core loan growth was 10% annualized, the strongest we've seen since 2022.

Production was robust, exceeding $1 billion for the second quarter, reflecting the continued benefits from our investments in hiring revenue producers. Production from new hires within the last year increased to approximately $170 million in the third quarter, contributing 40% of United's funded loan growth for the quarter. Following the Peach State acquisition, which was effective August 1 and the Navitas sale effective September 1, we wanted to provide an update on the go-forward loan portfolio. The quarterly reported loan yield was 6.06%. That compares to a loan yield of 5.83% in September, which provides a good baseline heading into the fourth quarter.

Approximately half of the loan portfolio is floating rate, including the impact of swaps. Higher short-term rates and the continued benefit from fixed asset repricing will serve to support loan yields. Turning to deposits. We generated deposit growth of $1.2 billion in the quarter, which includes the acquisition of Peach State. Excluding the impact of Peach State, deposit growth was solid at $473 million or 8% annualized. Growth was particularly strong in money market, which was up to $366 million, excluding acquired balances.

Core DDA growth was solid as well at $111 million or 6.9% annualized. Time deposits remained relatively flat with an increase of $13 million or 1.4% annualized. Public funds ended the quarter at $2.8 billion, stable versus the second quarter. Public funds typically have seasonal inflows in the fourth quarter of approximately $325 million to $375 million with meaningful outflows beginning late in the first quarter and returning to normalized levels by the end of the second quarter. For the quarter, average total deposit costs were 1.69% and interest-bearing costs were 2.31%, up 3 and 4 basis points, respectively.

As of the end of September, total deposit costs were 1.71%. Approximately 15% of total deposits are indexed and have already realized the impact of the Fed rate hike in September. United's quarter end loan-to-core deposit ratio was 77%, which gives us strategic flexibility as we grow both sides of the balance sheet and allows us to be more deliberate with respect to deposit pricing in the current environment.

Moving to the investment portfolio. Following the restructuring executed in the third quarter, we have added information related to our securities portfolio on Slide 8. More details related to the Navitas sale and restructuring are available in the presentations published on June 12 and September 8. As a reminder, last month, we reclassified $2.2 billion in held-to-maturity securities to available-for-sale designation. We then sold $2.5 billion of long-dated securities that were yielding approximately 2.2%. At that time, we were expecting to redeploy over $3 billion into securities yielding approximately 4.5% with a duration of around 2 years.

With the increase in rates in September, our average reinvestment rate was over 4.6% with the same expected duration of approximately 2 years. The securities yield for the quarter was 3.34%, up 37 basis points from the prior quarter. At the end of the quarter, the portfolio was yielding approximately 4.2%, which represents a good launch point for forward projections. Our portfolio is highly liquid and well positioned for a higher for longer rate environment. Quarterly cash flows are expected to average around $340 million in 2027, up more than 40% from pre-restructuring levels, and floating rate securities account for approximately 45% of the total portfolio.

Moving to Slide 9. Net interest revenue increased $10.3 million from the second quarter, primarily driven by the Peach State acquisition, core growth, the net effect of the portfolio restructuring, higher interest rates and day count, partially offset by the impact of the Navitas sale. Our net interest margin of 3.68% was stable in the third quarter as higher securities yields following the repositioning largely offset lower loan yields following the Navitas sale. Following the securities repositioning and Navitas sale, United's asset sensitivity has meaningfully increased. We are well positioned for a higher for longer rate environment as approximately half of our loans and securities are floating rate. Additionally, repricing of our back book of fixed rate assets will continue to be a tailwind over time.

Moving to Page 10. GAAP noninterest income decreased by $302 million from the second quarter, reflecting the impact of both the gain on the sale of Navitas and the loss on the investment portfolio repositioning. On an operating basis, noninterest income was $40.7 million for the quarter, up slightly from prior quarters, primarily driven by higher BOLI gains and service charges. Mortgage fees increased largely driven by an increase in MSR valuation, which was mostly offset in the hedge included in the other noninterest income line item.

On Page 11, we highlight noninterest expense for the quarter. The quarter included 2 months of expense related to Peach State and 2 months of expense related to Navitas. Expenses in the fourth quarter will include a full quarter with Peach State and without Navitas. We were pleased that the bank's operating efficiency ratio improved to 53.1% in the quarter and was stable year-over-year.

Moving to Page 12. Credit quality for the quarter was very strong. Net charge-offs benefited from the sale of Navitas, which has historically contributed approximately half of the bank's net charge-offs. Net charge-offs for the quarter were $4 million or 9 basis points of average loans, improved from $7.9 million in the second quarter. Nonperforming assets and past dues were both down quarter-over-quarter and remained at benign levels.

On Slide 13, the allowance for credit losses increased to $200 million, up from $188 million in the prior quarter, primarily driven by robust loan growth in the third quarter. The provision also included approximately $800,000 to establish the Peach State initial unfunded reserve. The ACL coverage ratio, inclusive of unfunded commitments was 1.05%.

Moving to Page 14. United's liquidity and capital positions remain robust following the strategic actions taken in the third quarter. Our solid CET1 and TCE ratios provide us with strategic flexibility moving forward. Our TCE ratio is 9% and our CET1 ratio is 13%, both down from the second quarter, primarily due to recent strategic actions but remain strong relative to peers. Our relatively low loan-to-deposit ratio is also a continued source of strength, allowing capacity for future organic growth.

On Slide 15, we note the previously announced repurchase of approximately $50 million of common shares in the third quarter, which effectively converted the Peach State deal into an all-cash transaction. Additionally, in the third quarter, United's Board authorized a $100 million increase to our existing share repurchase authorization through year-end 2027, bringing the total outstanding authorization to $113 million. Also in the third quarter, we increased our common dividend to $0.26 per share, a 4% increase year-over-year. Tangible book value came in largely as expected, reflecting the impacts of the various strategic actions taken in the quarter as well as higher interest rates.

Moving to the outlook for the fourth quarter on Page 16. While United does not typically provide detailed forward guidance, we felt that it was important to help provide some clarity on key metrics given all the movement in the third quarter. The completion of the strategic actions executed in the third quarter will improve profitability and earnings in addition to derisking the balance sheet. Earnings per share in the fourth quarter are expected to increase to a range of $0.80 to $0.83 per share, driven by solid growth in pre-provision net revenue.

Net interest revenue growth will be driven by continued growth in loans and deposits along with a full quarter's benefit of the securities portfolio restructuring, Peach State Bank and the benefits from higher interest rates on our asset-sensitive position. We expect net interest margin to expand to the mid-3.70s. Our effective tax rate is expected to normalize to the high 22% area in the fourth quarter following an increase in the third quarter due to the specific tax rates applicable to the Navitas sale and the investment securities losses as well as a higher core effective tax rate resulting from higher estimated pretax income and certain discrete items recognized in the quarter. We are entering the fourth quarter with strong fundamentals and momentum as we continue executing on our strategy as a simpler bank positioned for growth in some of the nation's best markets. Our asset sensitivity and strong capital and liquidity position us well for the current environment. I'm very proud to have joined this outstanding team at an important inflection point for the company. I'll now turn the call back over to Lynn.

Herbert Harton

Thank you, Tom. I'll end by repeating the core goals of the actions we completed last quarter. We simplified the business and reduced credit risk by exiting Navitas. We're investing in the core franchise, strengthening organic growth and remaining disciplined around tuck-in acquisitions and capital deployment. And we've repositioned the balance sheet, reducing interest rate risk and creating a more resilient capital and earnings profile. We're excited about our momentum and outlook as we head into the end of the year. I'll now open the floor for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Russell Gunther from Stephens.

Perguntas e respostas

Russell Elliott Gunther

I wanted to start on the strong organic growth results this quarter. It would be helpful to get a sense for what type of contribution the new commercial lenders are putting up so far. And then with the recent backup in rates and likelihood we get some additional Fed hikes, is there an absolute level in rates where you would expect to see some pipeline fallout that puts your kind of high-single-digit organic growth rate at risk?

Richard Bradshaw

Russell, this is Rich Bradshaw. I'll tackle that one. So our new hires represented 38% of the production in Q3. I also wanted to point out because I'm very proud that was our second quarter in a row of $1 billion of production. So I feel like the machine is working. In terms of interest rate hikes and where you see that kind of over under, I'd say it's probably about 100 basis points. And the first place you're going to see that is CRE. So you would expect that construction loans will slow down. Yesterday, I happened to meet with Lisa Shelnutt, who's our player coach in charge of CRE. And she said they were as busy as they've ever been. So I was actually a tiny bit surprised by that. So I found that encouraging. But again, if there's 100 basis points, the math starts not working as well in terms of the deals penciling out. But we do have a lot of construction loans that we did.

So we have the continuing draws from that. And then because of a possible rising rate environment, our customers are starting to ask about our mini perm program because capital markets slow down. So I do expect that we will see some pickup in the mini perm, and those will be 2- or 3-year loans as the owners are waiting for the capital markets to get a little bit better for their end.

Russell Elliott Gunther

Got it. Okay. Very helpful. And then my second question is on the margin. So I appreciate all the color in terms of where we are going to jump off next quarter. As you fleshed out the increased asset sensitivity here, it would be helpful to get a sense for how you think about incremental rate hikes and what that means to the NIM and particularly what deposit beta assumptions underpin that?

Tom Speir

Yes, Russell, it's Tom Speir. So yes, good question. So our guidance gives you -- the outlook is with a 25 basis point rate hike in December. So we will benefit from, obviously, rates continuing to move higher. So that mid-3.70s is a good place to be. When you think about our securities portfolio repositioning and the yield increases that will come along with that, along with our floating rate nature of our portfolio. We've also got our fixed rate asset repricing on loans and securities, which will be a continued tailwind. I think as we move forward from there, if we see continued rate hikes, there's opportunity for the margin to continue to expand. The beta assumptions within that.

So historically, our interest-bearing beta was in the high 50s, I think 59%. I think that's a good place to anchor. However, in the near term, we think we'll see deposit costs perform better than that as you did this quarter. So an opportunity to be lower and then move up over time depending on the speed of this rate cycle and the level of competition.

Operator

Our next question comes from Gary Tenner from D.A. Davidson.

Gary Tenner

I just wanted to ask a follow-up on that new producer question that Russell asked. I'm kind of curious if you could size the impact that, that group had on the deposit side. Just curious kind of what kind of success they're driving on the other side of the balance sheet.

Richard Bradshaw

Great question, Gary. So we have brought over some private bankers, and they've certainly had an impact. But in terms of managing that, reporting that on the deposit side, I don't have that in front of me, but we can get back to you on that.

Gary Tenner

Okay. Great. And I just wanted to clarify on the securities portfolio, is there any additional build to come? Or is that $6.5 billion or so billion kind of rightsized as you see it today?

Tom Speir

Yes. So we ended the quarter around $6.8 billion. And I think that $6.8 billion to $7 billion is a good level for us. It's really going to be dependent on loan growth. Obviously, this quarter, loans outperformed quite a bit. So we were a little slower to deploy into the securities portfolio. So that will be the dynamic. I think we're relatively close to that level. And so we'll just see how the balance sheet performs and we'll go from there.

Richard Bradshaw

Gary, I wanted to get back to you. I don't have the answer, but I do have part of the answer. We do not make loans without depository relationships. So just -- they all -- they definitely have contributed. I just don't have the dollar amount.

Operator

Our next question comes from Will Jones from KBW.

William Jones

So it's kind of nice to see that the balance sheet come together. I know there's quite a few moving pieces this quarter, but just kind of this newfound optionality you have with a lower loan to deposit, high level of cash and obviously, strong momentum in the loan portfolio, you pointed out close to 10% organic growth this quarter. I mean, is that the way we should start to think about your growth rate moving forward, just kind of knowing the optionality you now have with the balance sheet? Should we start to think of UCB as more of a high-single-digit grower as we look across the balance of this year and into 2027?

Herbert Harton

This is -- I mean, Will, this is Lynn. Yes, that's our goal. Again, we think we're in fantastic markets. We've been focused on hiring now for about 15 months. We plan on continuing that. And Rich may want to add some color to that. But yes, that would be my view and my goal.

Richard Bradshaw

And to add a little more color to that, when we made the strategic decision to exit Navitas, we looked at an organic growth initiative and a 5-year plan. And roughly, that was growing the amount of salespeople by 10% each year, and that's roughly 20 people per year. And so we're ahead this year, and we certainly expect to hit that number next year. And we really feel that culture drives a lot of this, too. So if you -- and the last thing I would say is it's not just headcount. We're hiring, I think, very good people. They all have more than 20 years' experience. None are coming from headhunters, and they're all known by people at United Community.

Tom Speir

Will, I just want to jump in. This is Tom, to add in and emphasize a couple of the points you made around our optionality. I think that's a key point. Our 77% loan-to-deposit ratio gives us a lot of flexibility to continue to grow our balance sheet and do so profitably and be thoughtful with respect to how we fund that on the deposit side. So I think we're really differentiated with respect to our outlook relative to others and feel good about our future path.

William Jones

Yes, that's great. And Tom, maybe just to stay on that point there. Have you guys kind of -- if you look out over the next 12 to 18 months, have you guys thought about what you would like to see this balance sheet composition look like and how quickly? Have you placed a time line on how kind of quickly we could see some of this liquidity get deployed?

Tom Speir

Great question. I would just say that we don't forecast the loan-to-deposit ratio per se. I think we've got quite a bit of runway to deploy into that. We want to continue, as Rich alluded to, to grow deposits alongside loans. So we would be totally fine if loan-to-deposit ratio stayed in this context. But we do have good flexibility for it to inch up over time, and I think that runway is into the foreseeable future.

William Jones

Yes. Okay. That's helpful. I appreciate that color. And maybe lastly for me, Lynn, just a more high-level big picture. We talked on our call a month or so ago about just thinking about updated capital targets and where longer-term ROE could trend for UCB. I know you guys had talked about getting to the drawing board and maybe fine pointing what capital ratio targets could look like longer term. Are we any closer to talking about those targets today? Just what kind of update do you have on the capital front?

Herbert Harton

Yes. We are still debating the actual targets for capital levels. We're very comfortable where we are. We feel like the level that we have today gives us flexibility to -- if another Peach State kind of opportunity came around that we would be able to flex and do that, gives us the opportunity to do stock buybacks. So we clearly have room at this level to take some capital actions, and we are set on getting to that 15% plus ROTCE regardless of where the capital levels are. And we don't intend to take capital down to get there. So we intend to take earnings up to get there. So we're still debating the actual target level, but we feel like we've got some room where we sit today.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Rose from Raymond James.

Michael Rose

Just wanted to step back to the deposit side. It was good to see the NIB mix held steady here at 27%. Just as we think about kind of the intermediate to long-term impacts of Agentic AI and what that could do. Can you just talk to us about maybe what you guys are working on there and what you would optimally like that mix to -- where you think you can hold that mix kind of as we think about just maybe a higher level of loan growth organically as we move forward, just given some of the hiring momentum that you guys have had?

Herbert Harton

Yes, sure. So in terms of the level, it's been fairly stable at this 27% level for some time. So as we look into the near to intermediate term, I feel very comfortable with that. In terms of the Agentic deposit activity, personally, we're very cognizant of that. We're thinking about that. I personally think it will be slower than some people have said because if you think about our large depositors, they already have multiple options, including with us, whether it's sweeps, whether it's ICS, whether it's index deposits, they've certainly got money market accounts. And these are large depositors are sophisticated people, they're within the bounds of their comfort, and you want to be very comfortable that your money is safe.

They're already optimizing their deposits. And so -- and then on the small end, your typical consumer DDAs, I really don't see the return relative to the risk for them turning over their passwords, et cetera, today at least to an agent. So I personally think it's going to be slower. I know Tom's done some work and thought on this as well. You may have some color to add.

Tom Speir

Lynn, I think you summarized that really well. We are not dismissing this as a threat longer term to deposits. But in the near term, we really don't see that playing out. Again, I think our -- the competitive advantage for us is our deposits, particularly on the retail side, are going to be smaller, more granular. Those are operating accounts. So we see less need for folks to rate seek out there. And we do pay fair rates on our money market and CDs. So just less of a need for us to -- or for customers to seek that out elsewhere. So again, something we're paying attention to, but not seeing that as a threat at the moment.

Michael Rose

That's very helpful. And then maybe just as a follow-up, it was good to see the mortgage gain on sale margin held steady at 2.6%. But obviously, we're in what appears to be a higher for longer rate environment. Just kind of talk to us about the mortgage business. And then if you could also touch on kind of expectations, at least near term for SBA loan sale gains.

Richard Bradshaw

This is Rich. In terms of the mortgage forecast, we're certainly -- with interest rates where they are and where they may be heading, we're forecasting that down like the whole industry. So that's going to be in the 10% to 20% down depending on the quarter and the year. And with regards to SBA, probably sales are flat on that in terms of premium, in terms of return you get. It's flat right now. So I don't see it trending up or down.

Michael Rose

I appreciate it. If I could just slip one more in, just on credit. Everything obviously looks good, but we did see a little bit of an uptick in substandard classifieds. Anything in there of note or just normal course of action?

Robert Edwards

Yes. Mike, it's Rob. I would exactly call it normal course of action. In fact, I went back and looked and really, we've been -- since COVID, we've been right in this 3% to 3.5% range. And you would think in normal times, it would actually be a little bit higher. So the 2.5% was really the outlier last quarter. We feel like we're kind of where we've been historically and just the normal course of business.

Operator

Our next question comes from Christopher Marinac from Brean Capital.

Christopher Marinac

I wanted to ask about the CECL metrics from S&P this quarter, Rob? And has there been any movement up or down on CRE? And does that portend any different to how you reserve in the future?

Robert Edwards

The CECL metrics in accordance with S&P, was that the question, Christopher?

Christopher Marinac

Yes, exactly. Just kind of what the guidance from the outsources are.

Robert Edwards

So we're really forecasting a stable economic environment in our forecast. So we're not seeing a lot of movement there. You may recall, we did establish back in '24 a hurricane reserve, and that fell off at the end of 2025. So the numbers may look a little bit different there because of that hurricane reserve going away. But maybe we use Moody's and Moody's does have a CRE price index. Yes, absolutely. So there is a CRE price index, and it is forecasting stable prices, if that's the CRE price index. Really, it's a stable to positive economic outlook.

Christopher Marinac

Great. I meant to say Moody's instead of S&P. And then I know you answered on the prior question about sort of the level of criticized being kind of stable, which is right. Is there any indication that those would sort of bounce around to go back in the next quarter? Or is it sort of just normal flow?

Robert Edwards

Yes. I don't -- I do -- I would expect it to bounce around. I will say the 2.5% seemed unusually low. So I'm not anticipating us going back to 2.5%. You can look back here on the chart on Page 12, and it kind of just seems to run in the 3% to 3.5% range. And quite honestly, if you look back longer history, those are very good numbers. And so I wouldn't expect it to get back down to that level. That's -- to me, that's not a long-term run rate for criticized and classified.

Christopher Marinac

Great. Then last question related is just as you continue to grow the loan portfolio, will the average life be kind of around that 3 to 3.5 years, again, just trying to relate charge-offs and reserves in the long term?

Robert Edwards

Yes, absolutely. Yes, that would be a good number to use for average life.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Bishop from Hovde Group.

Emily Graves

This is Emily Graves stepping in for Dave this morning. So my first question is, what do you view as a reasonable core operating expense run rate going into the next quarter?

Tom Speir

Emily, this is Tom. So yes, so we -- as you saw this quarter, we delivered in the mid-150s, and that was down from last quarter, primarily driven by the Navitas licensing settlement that happened in the second quarter. As we look forward, again, recall that we had 2 months of Navitas in our expenses, and then we also had 2 months of Peach State. And so Navitas on a run rate basis was $9 million. Peach State is $5 million. So we picked up a little bit of that net benefit this quarter, and you'll see the rest of that flow into the fourth quarter on a full run rate basis. And that will be -- that will put us in the, call it, low 150s area. From there, you'll see us typical growth for us, the 3.5% range along with other investments that we'll make. So that low 150s is a good level to use.

Emily Graves

Great. And then the second question I have is, what is a reasonable expectation for purchase accounting accretion? And how should we think about that going forward?

Tom Speir

Yes. So I think purchase accounting accretion, I put that in the kind of the $5 million context run rate a quarter.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Stephen Scouten from Piper Sandler.

Stephen Scouten

Nice to have you here with us. I guess first question would be maybe -- I know you gave -- Tom, I may have missed it, but some commentary on expected betas. But how do you think about if you were to quantify upside to the NIM from if we get these 2 more hikes that are expected in the forward curve? Like what do you think we'll see with each 25 basis point hike to the NIM?

Tom Speir

Yes, Stephen, it's a good question. So again, if you step back and look at our balance sheet, we have roughly half of our loan and securities are floating rate. And when you look at the deposit side, we've -- I mentioned that historically, our beta was in the high 50s we obviously just saw deposit cost interest-bearing go up 4 basis points. So we're outperforming that. We'd expect to be lower than that high 50s here in the near term. And so with those dynamics, along with the fixed rate asset repricing on loans and securities, I mean we've got good tailwinds on the margin. So that mid-3.70s for the fourth quarter, that's a good kind of launching off point, and I think there's opportunity for continued expansion thereafter given those dynamics.

Stephen Scouten

Okay. Makes sense. And I think you gave September loan yields around like 5.83% ex Navitas. What are you guys seeing in terms of new loan yields and maybe new deposit costs coming on, on average? And are spreads largely holding? Are they getting compressed with competition? Can you give us a feel for kind of what those dynamics look like?

Richard Bradshaw

This is Rich. I'll cover the loan side. So we have seen, call it, the last 6 months, we've seen pricing compressed a little bit. That's kind of flattened out on our side. So we feel like right now, we don't see that going further.

Tom Speir

Yes. With respect to deposit pricing, I think all in, our deposit pricing has been really in that kind of mid- to high 2% area as we put on kind of all in new deposits. And so obviously, as rates move up and we've got CD maturities going on, those levels continue to tick up, and I would think about that in the context of that beta that I mentioned.

Richard Bradshaw

And the new loans are going on.

Tom Speir

The new loans are going on, call it, in the 6.25% kind of area is a good level to think about.

Stephen Scouten

Okay. Very helpful. And then just lastly for me, obviously, the share repurchase, I think, was done at $35.81 a share this quarter. And the whole industry is trading down a bit. Could that lead to you guys to be more aggressive with the remaining authorization? Or should we expect that to be maybe somewhat ratable through year-end '27? How does the movement in the share price dictate that?

Herbert Harton

Yes. So it definitely impacts it. We think it's very attractive at these rates, and we certainly expect to be active. I would say, though, probably more throughout the year, but certainly, you'll see us be active at these current prices for sure.

Stephen Scouten

Congrats on all the hard work and progress here over the last quarter.

Operator

And with that, we'll be concluding today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Lynn Harton for closing comments.

Herbert Harton

Great. Well, thank you all for joining. We really appreciate the questions. As always, if you have any follow-ups or any additional information you need, don't hesitate to reach out to us, and we look forward to seeing you again soon. Thank you. Have a great day.

Operator

And that concludes today's conference call and presentation. We do thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.