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Teleconferência de Resultados do 3T26 da Finance of America (FOA): Volume Sobe 24%, Guidance de LPA Retirado

4 de nov de 2026 às 08:04
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A Finance of America registrou no 3T26 um volume financiado de US$ 748 milhões, alta anual de 24%, e produção acumulada de US$ 2,1 bilhões. A empresa reportou prejuízo GAAP antes de impostos de US$ 130 milhões devido a variações no valor justo de ativos, enquanto o lucro líquido ajustado foi de US$ 6 milhões. A margem de receita em Retirement Solutions caiu para 9,0%. A administração retirou a projeção de LPA ajustado para 2026, mas estima que as margens se recuperem aos patamares históricos no primeiro semestre de 2027, sustentando uma taxa de corrida de LPA ajustado de US$ 4 a US$ 5 no segundo semestre.

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Principais Destaques

  • O volume financiado no 3T26 atingiu US$ 748 milhões, uma alta de 24% em relação ao mesmo período do ano anterior e de 2% na comparação sequencial. A produção acumulada no ano cresceu 17%, alcançando aproximadamente US$ 2,1 bilhões.
  • A Finance of America registrou prejuízo antes dos impostos segundo o GAAP de US$ 130 milhões, impulsionado principalmente por variações no valor justo sem efeito de caixa de ativos residuais. O lucro líquido ajustado foi de US$ 6 milhões, ou US$ 0,28 por ação.
  • A margem de receita do segmento Retirement Solutions caiu para 9,0%, ante 11,3% um ano antes, em comparação com a média histórica de 10,7% registrada desde o início de 2024. A administração espera que alterações na precificação, no LTV e nas taxas de juros restaurem as margens durante o primeiro semestre de 2027.
  • O volume financiado no varejo subiu 54% em relação ao ano anterior, atingindo US$ 303 milhões. A produção média mensal por agente de crédito alcançou US$ 1,2 milhão, uma alta de mais de 40%, com o quadro de funcionários no varejo permanecendo praticamente estável.
  • A empresa não espera mais atingir sua projeção anterior de LPA ajustado para todo o ano de 2026, de US$ 4,50 a US$ 5,00. A administração espera que o lucro ajustado do 4T fique próximo aos resultados do 3T.
  • Para 2027, a administração projeta um volume financiado de US$ 3,1 bilhões a US$ 3,4 bilhões e uma taxa de corrida (run rate) do LPA ajustado anualizado de aproximadamente US$ 4 a US$ 5 durante o segundo semestre.

Principais Dados Financeiros

Métrica3T26Comparação / Comentários
Volume financiadoUS$ 748 milhõesAlta de 24% em relação ao ano anterior; acima dos US$ 730 milhões no 2T26
Produção acumulada no anoAproximadamente US$ 2,1 bilhõesAlta de 17% ante US$ 1,8 bilhão nos primeiros nove meses de 2025
Prejuízo antes dos impostos (GAAP)US$ 130 milhõesRefletiu principalmente variações no valor justo sem efeito de caixa em ativos residuais
Lucro líquido ajustadoUS$ 6 milhõesEquivalente a US$ 0,28 por ação
Margem de receita de Retirement Solutions9,0%Queda em relação aos 11,3% no 3T25; a média histórica era de 10,7%
Lucro líquido ajustado de Portfolio ManagementUS$ 11 milhõesO rendimento da carteira permaneceu na faixa de 15% em aproximadamente US$ 500 milhões de participações beneficiárias retidas
Caixa e equivalentes de caixaUS$ 118 milhõesAumento de US$ 33 milhões em relação ao trimestre anterior
Geração de caixa acumulada no anoUS$ 145 milhõesProveniente de originações e atividades no mercado de capitais
Variações no valor justo sem efeito de caixa em nove mesesUS$ (167) milhõesEm comparação com as variações positivas de US$ 161 milhões nos primeiros nove meses de 2025

Desempenho Operacional e dos Negócios

O segmento atacado (Wholesale) permaneceu como o maior canal da Finance of America, representando quase 60% do volume financiado. Foram financiados US$ 444 milhões durante o trimestre, alta de 10% em relação ao mesmo período do ano anterior. As solicitações no atacado atingiram US$ 625 milhões, subindo 6% na comparação sequencial, o maior nível em sete trimestres.

O volume financiado no varejo cresceu 11% no comparativo sequencial e 54% na comparação anual, alcançando US$ 303 milhões. Apesar de ter 12% a menos de oportunidades do que no 2T, as solicitações mantiveram-se estáveis e os empréstimos concedidos subiram 9%. A administração atribuiu a evolução ao foco em oportunidades de maior qualidade e a investimentos em tecnologia.

O crescimento dos produtos foi amplo. O volume de HECM aumentou 14% na comparação anual, o volume de HomeSafe de primeira garantia subiu 15% e o HomeSafe Second avançou 63%. A empresa planeja lançar uma versão do HomeSafe Second em linha de crédito e expandir seu portfólio de produtos de crédito com garantia imobiliária em 2027.

As métricas do funil digital também evoluíram. Os inícios de pré-qualificação subiram 89%, as oportunidades digitais aumentaram 61% e o tempo médio entre a captação do cliente (lead) e a proposta caiu de cerca de 20 dias para menos de seis dias.

Projeções da Administração

A administração espera que o volume financiado no acumulado do ano de 2026 termine no limite inferior da faixa projetada anteriormente. Contudo, a empresa retirou sua orientação anterior de LPA ajustado de US$ 4,50 a US$ 5,00 devido às margens mais baixas no 3T e ao tempo necessário para que a repaginação de preços repercuta na esteira de empréstimos.

A expectativa é que o lucro ajustado do 4T seja próximo ao do 3T, quando a Finance of America gerou um lucro líquido ajustado de US$ 6 milhões e um LPA ajustado de US$ 0,28.

Para 2027, a empresa prevê um volume financiado entre US$ 3,1 bilhões e US$ 3,4 bilhões. A administração busca retornar à margem histórica de receita de 10,7% durante o primeiro semestre, sustentada por mudanças na precificação de produtos, LTVs e taxas de juros.

Espera-se que o maior volume e a normalização das margens sustentem uma taxa de corrida (run rate) de LPA ajustado anualizado de cerca de US$ 4 a US$ 5 durante o segundo semestre de 2027. A administração informou que isso será parcialmente compensado por ganhos menores da área de Portfolio Management em decorrência de taxas de desconto mais elevadas.

A empresa planeja quitar US$ 60 milhões em notas sênior garantidas e prorrogar os cerca de US$ 90 milhões restantes para novembro de 2027. A administração expressou confiança de que as operações centrais, a atividade de resgate e reemissão de securitizações e o potencial financiamento do seu ativo HECM MSR sustentarão a quitação do endividamento restante.

Riscos e Pontos de Atenção

O rendimento das Treasury Notes de 10 anos aumentou mais de 75 pontos-base durante o 3T, pressionando as margens de originação e gerando ajustes desfavoráveis e sem efeito de caixa no valor justo. A administração enfatizou que os fluxos de caixa nominais esperados dos ativos de carteira afetados não sofreram alterações relevantes.

A recuperação das margens depende da propagação da nova precificação ao longo do ciclo de financiamento de hipotecas reversas, que pode durar de 60 a 90 dias. Novas variações nas taxas de juros podem exigir ajustes adicionais na precificação, nos LTVs e nos termos dos produtos.

A administração também observou que o financiamento no primeiro trimestre costuma ser o mais baixo do ano devido à queda nas solicitações no período de festas de fim de ano. Essa sazonalidade é um dos motivos pelos quais a meta de taxa de corrida (run rate) do LPA ajustado se aplica ao segundo semestre de 2027, e não ao ano inteiro.

Destaques da Sessão de Perguntas e Respostas

Os analistas focaram na trajetória de retorno às margens históricas. A administração afirmou que as alterações recentes em precificação, LTVs e taxas de juros devem restaurar a margem média de receita em direção aos 10,7% à medida que os empréstimos antigos em esteira forem substituídos por novas concessões reprificadas. As projeções para 2027 não pressupõem um cenário específico de taxas de juros.

Em relação à alocação de capital, a administração disse que a recompra de ações e dividendos podem se tornar usos potenciais de caixa após a quitação dos cerca de US$ 90 milhões restantes em dívidas. Nenhum cronograma ou valor específico foi informado.

A administração também afirmou que espera que um potencial financiamento do HECM MSR no primeiro semestre de 2027 gere caixa adicional, além do fluxo de caixa operacional e das atividades relacionadas à securitização.

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Comentários da administração

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Hilary, and I'll be your conference moderator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome you to the Finance of America Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]

I will now turn the call over to Michael Fant, Senior Vice President of Finance. You may begin.

Michael Fant

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Finance of America's Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. With me today are Graham Fleming, Chief Executive Officer; Kristen Sieffert, President; and Matt Engel, Chief Financial Officer.

As a reminder, this call is being recorded, and you can find the earnings release and related presentation on our Investor Relations website at ir.financeofamericacompanies.com.

Also, I would like to remind everyone that comments on this conference call may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding the company's expected operating and financial performance for future periods. These statements are based on the company's current expectations and are subject to the safe harbor statement for forward-looking statements that you will find in today's earnings release and related presentation. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements due to a number of risks or other factors, including those that are described in the Risk Factors section of Finance of America's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, filed with the SEC on March 13, 2026. Such risk factors may be amended and updated in our subsequent filings with the SEC. We are not undertaking any commitment to update these statements if conditions change.

Please note, today, we will be discussing interim period financials for our continuing operations, which are unaudited. In addition, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures on this call. You can find reconciliations of non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures to the extent available without unreasonable efforts in our earnings press release and presentation on the Investor Relations page of our website.

Now I'll turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Graham Fleming. Graham?

Graham Fleming

Thank you, Michael. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I go through the quarter in detail, I want to give you the 5 key takeaways from today's call. Everything in the rest of this call and the accompanying materials is an elaboration on these 5 points.

First, our volume this quarter grew 24% year-over-year, and we expect continued growth both in 2027 and beyond based on demographic trends and continued product development. Second, our retail platform is becoming more efficient and productive. Productivity per loan officer is up 40% compared to the third quarter of 2025. Third, margins compressed as the Fed shifted from cutting to raising interest rates. We have already made the necessary changes to product pricing, and we expect margins to return to historical levels in the first half of 2027.

Fourth, we have generated $145 million of cash from originations and capital markets activities year-to-date, including $33 million of cash this quarter, which we have used to complete several capital actions this year. And finally, we expect adjusted earnings per share of between $4 to $5 on an annual run rate basis during the second half of 2027, driven by higher volume and normalized margins, partially offset by lower portfolio management earnings resulting from higher discount rates.

Turning to Slide 5. Third quarter funded volume was $748 million, compared with $730 million in Q2 2026 and $603 million in Q3 2025, that means growth both sequentially and year-over-year. Through September, year-to-date production was approximately $2.1 billion versus $1.8 billion in the first 9 months of 2025 or an increase of 17% year-over-year. That progress is part of the longer story.

Since 2023, we have been investing in a more focused reverse mortgage platform, a broader proprietary product offering and the technology and distribution capabilities needed to reach more homeowners. Finance of America has grown volumes on average by 20% each year since 2023.

The third quarter was a challenging rate environment with the 10-year Treasury yields increasing over 75 basis points during the quarter, a reaction to the Fed's pivot to raising rates and elevated inflation. Higher rates create 2 distinct challenges, noncash fair value adjustments to certain assets within our portfolio and near-term pressure on origination margins and inventory due to the challenge of repricing customers already in our pipeline.

During the first 9 months of 2026, we recorded $167 million in unfavorable noncash changes in fair value of our portfolio assets and liabilities. That same mechanism produced $161 million in positive fair value changes during the first 9 months of 2025. This is primarily a discount rate effect, not a cash flow effect. The expected nominal cash flows from these assets has not materially changed.

Additionally, our Retirement Solutions revenue margin was impacted in the third quarter, decreasing to 9% compared with 11.3% in the third quarter of 2025 and a historical average since the start of 2024 of 10.7%. We believe these impacts are temporary and do not change the underlying fundamentals of our business.

Notably, neither of these challenges change the long-term demand for our products nor the opportunity we see to continue scaling our platform. In fact, we have successfully navigated similar periods before, such as 2022 when the Fed raised rates 7x for a total of 425 basis points. When rising rates reduced margins, we responded with product and pricing changes that improve the economics of new production over time.

During October, we made the necessary changes to our product offerings, and we expect that our revenue margin will return to our historical averages over the first half of 2027. While the near-term interest rate environment remains dynamic, we continue to focus on the levers within our control, pricing appropriately for the environment, improving conversion and productivity, managing costs and preserving financial flexibility.

With respect to capital allocation, we will repay $60 million of our senior secured notes and we will exercise our right to extend the remaining approximately $90 million to November 2027. We believe that in the current environment, this is a prudent choice as this increases the company's financial flexibility.

Before I turn it over to Kristen and Matt, I want to take a moment to acknowledge our team. Thanks to the hard work, our operating strategy is delivering on production and productivity.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Kristen.

Kristen Sieffert

Thanks, Graham, and good afternoon, everyone. Last quarter, I highlighted an important evolution in our business, our ability to generate more production from the opportunities already entering our platform. This quarter proved it under pressure.

Against the capital markets headwinds Graham described, that shift matters more than ever, and our focus remains on 3 things: sustaining growth, increasing productivity and turning our investments into compounding benefits. First, production growth remained resilient in a difficult market. We funded 24% more this quarter than in the third quarter of last year.

Turning to Slide 7. The contrast with the traditional mortgage market is stark. From 2024 through our 2027 outlook, our funded volume grows more than 60%, better than 17% per year. The forward mortgage industry grows about 6% a year over the same period. Next year, per the recent MBA forecast, the forward market shrinks by 5% against double-digit growth for FOA. The difference is demand. Ours is driven by retirement need, not refinancing incentives. Higher rates affect borrower proceeds, but they do not eliminate our customers' need for financial flexibility in retirement.

On Slide 8, we show the consistent growth our platform has experienced. Since 2023, our submission volumes have increased by 21% annually, while our funded volumes grown by 20% annually. This is across our product suite as HECM volume is up 14% year-over-year, HomeSafe first liens are up 15% and HomeSafe Second are up 63%. That breadth is deliberate. Each of our products serves a different homeowner need, and together, they give us multiple paths to growth even when pricing pressure affects individual products. That's why in a quarter when benchmark rates rose sharply and traditional mortgage industry applications declined, our submission volume grew by 20% and our funded UPB grew by 24% year-over-year. Our growth comes from conversion, productivity and product range and our 2027 outlook assumes no benefit from rates.

Wholesale remains our largest channel, representing nearly 60% of funded volume. It funded $444 million in the quarter, up 10% year-over-year, and submissions reached $625 million, up 6% sequentially and the highest level in 7 quarters. Second, our operating model is becoming more productive. Retail funded volume increased 11% sequentially and 54% year-over-year to $303 million.

Slide 9 shows how even with 12% fewer opportunities than in Q2, which was a result of a deliberate shift to quality over quantity, submissions held steady and funded loans rose 9%. This continued move to quality, coupled with our technology advancements, lifted production per loan officer to an average of $1.2 million per month in the third quarter, up nearly 9% sequentially and more than 40% year-over-year. Productivity has risen year-over-year in each quarter of 2026, and the gain is not a denominator effect. Total retail headcount is essentially unchanged from a year ago.

Third, the investments we made this year were built to compound. We expect to keep improving retail funnel conversion and loan officer productivity in 2027 and to deliver continued efficiency gains in operations and our G&A expenses as volume grows over a stable cost base.

Our digital platform is scaling. In the third quarter, prequalification starts rose 89%, digital opportunities grew 61% and time from lead to application fell to under 6 days from roughly 20. And new website launches in the first half of 2027 will lift funnel conversion further.

We are also broadening our product suite. The line of credit version of HomeSafe Second launches soon. And next year, we will expand the suite further as we move from the leader in reverse mortgages toward becoming the leader in home equity solutions for retirement.

We cannot control where rates go. We can control conversion, cost and pricing, and we are getting better at all 3. Our growth is driven by demographics, not the rate cycle, and that is why we expect to keep growing through this market and to convert that growth into stronger, more consistent earnings power.

With that, I'll turn it over to Matt.

Matthew Engel

Thank you, Kristen. Good afternoon, everyone. On a GAAP basis, the company recognized a pretax loss of $130 million, primarily reflecting noncash fair value changes on residual assets, partially offset by a reduction in the fair value liability of our convertible notes. It is important to distinguish these noncash fair value adjustments from the underlying economics of our portfolio. While changes in market rates affect the current valuation of certain assets, these assets continue to accrete, and we ultimately expect to monetize these assets over time. We continue to believe our residual assets represent meaningful long-term economic value, and our focus remains on managing the portfolio to maximize that value.

As shown on Slide 10, adjusted net income for the quarter was $6 million or $0.28 per share. As Graham and Kristen mentioned, the key driver of lower adjusted earnings was lower revenue margins in our Retirement Solutions segment. These results were impacted by the increase in benchmark rates during the third quarter. We consider these as temporary in nature, not because we anticipate the rate environment to move in our favor, but because of the nature of our platform.

Although fair values declined, our Portfolio Management segment still generated adjusted net income of $11 million as our portfolio continued to accrete a yield in the mid-teens against retained beneficial interest of approximately $500 million.

Cost discipline remained a key focus as well. Total expenses, excluding securitization-related expenses, increased by only $2 million, with this coming from an increase in subservicing expense associated with the HECM portfolio we acquired on June 30.

Variable compensation rose with the growth in our retail platform Kristen mentioned, and this was offset by a reduction in marketing expense as we focus our efforts on higher-value opportunities.

Turning to the balance sheet. Our cash and cash equivalents increased to $118 million as of September 30 as we generated $33 million over the prior quarter. For the year, we have generated $145 million in cash from originations and capital markets activity, which we have used to complete several significant capital transactions, including the repurchase of Blackstone's remaining equity position and the acquisition of Onity's HECM servicing portfolio.

Leveraging our strong cash position, we will complete the $60 million paydown on our senior secured notes later this month.

Looking forward, we expect to achieve the low end of our previously communicated full year 2026 funded volume guidance range of $2.8 billion to $3.8 billion -- $3.1 billion, excuse me. However, we no longer expect to achieve our adjusted EPS guidance for the full year 2026 of $4.50 to $5 as a result of the decreased margins in the third quarter and the time it takes for the changes we have already made to make their way through our pipeline. We anticipate the fourth quarter will approximate our third quarter adjusted earnings results.

Looking ahead to 2027, we expect funded volume to reach $3.1 billion to $3.4 billion, a growth rate similar to what we have achieved over the past several years, supported by consumer demographics, our product breadth and ongoing conversion improvements. This increase in funded volume, combined with the expected return to normalized margins by product and channel, though partially offset by lower portfolio management earnings resulting from the higher discount rates, should allow Finance of America to achieve a run rate adjusted earnings per share of approximately $4 to $5 on an annualized basis during the second half of 2027.

Looking ahead, our priorities are unchanged, continue to grow our operating platform to produce strong recurring earnings, maintain sufficient liquidity to support the business and allocate capital where we believe it can produce the most attractive risk-adjusted returns.

With that, I will turn the call back to Graham for closing remarks.

Graham Fleming

Thank you, Matt. We have built a platform capable of delivering sustained production growth across different market environments, and this quarter demonstrated that progress. While the current rate environment has pressured earnings, we have taken action to improve margins and remain focused on increasing productivity, generating cash and maintaining financial flexibility.

Looking ahead, we are confident that the long-term demand for home equity solutions remains substantial. With our leading market position, expanding product offerings and continued operational improvements, we are well positioned to capitalize on this opportunity and translate our growth into stronger earnings over time.

And with that, I'll open the call to questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta from Alliance Global Partners.

Perguntas e respostas

Gaurav Mehta

Matt, I wanted to go back to your comments about your expectations of revenue margins expected to go back to historical trends, and you talked about some pricing and product adjustments that you have made. Can you maybe provide some more color on those adjustments and what gives you confidence that you can get back to the historical revenue margins in a high rate environment?

Matthew Engel

I guess a couple of things, Gaurav. We have made changes to our pricing already in the last few weeks to LTVs and interest rates that we believe will restore those margins back to our historical levels. On top of that, of course, we don't know where the rates will go in the future, but rates have come back quite a bit during the month of October. And so we feel pretty confident that heading into 2027, as the pipeline with the old rates and LTVs works its way through that the new production coming in will be at that margin.

So our guidance kind of reflects that Q4 will still be a little bit down on the margin because we have that pipeline still coming through. But then as the new production starts to come through in the first quarter, we expect those margins to get back to historical levels.

Gaurav Mehta

Okay. And as a follow-up, can you also maybe discuss what your interest rate assumption is for your 2027 guidance?

Graham Fleming

What was the first part of the question, Gaurav?

Unknown Executive

Interest rate assumption for 2027.

Graham Fleming

We're agnostic to the interest rate environment. We'll adjust our products, our rates and our LTVs to yield the revenue margin -- the historical revenue margin that we had, which is, as I said in my remarks, 10.7%. So we will adjust our products to achieve that revenue margin. We don't have an expectation for interest rates in 2027. That's not -- we'll react to whatever the [indiscernible].

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino from B. Riley.

Timothy D'Agostino

I guess just quickly circling back on the guidance. You mentioned your margins should return in the first half of '27, I believe you said the first quarter. So I guess thinking about the $4 to $5 of adjusted EBITDA or EPS, sorry, run rate for the second half of 2027. I guess it kind of -- it would be good to get some color on why you're leaning away from the first half. Again, you expect margins to return. Are there anything else -- is there anything else you want to kind of flag for the first half as to why you're maybe not talk about touching guidance there?

Graham Fleming

Yes. We just have a longer lead time with reverse mortgages as a senior cycle. So we don't have an application to funding cycle that's, call it, 21 days or 30 days, right? Consumers need to go through counseling, right? We need to go through process. We just have a longer lead time. And when we bring new submissions into the pipeline and new leads into the call center, it's roughly a 60- or 90-day time line before they turn into funded inventory. So that's the reason for potentially having a longer time line.

So I'm not going to say it won't be the first quarter, but we also -- look, we just had midterms today, potentially rates move again in December, maybe one more time, right, which will cause us to move our margins again. So we're probably building in a little bit of cushion. We're just a little uncertain if the rates are going to move 1 or 2 more times, and we'll have to adjust our products and margins again to match that.

Matthew Engel

I would probably add to that as well. If you look at our funding patterns in the last few years, generally, our first quarter fundings are the lowest of the year, submissions dip a little bit over the holiday period. So we still expect strong year-over-year growth, but sequentially, that Q1 is usually our softest. So it's a combination of what Graham said and perhaps that pattern as well.

Timothy D'Agostino

Okay. That's helpful. And then if I could just ask a second one. Just on cash and capital allocation, you had mentioned using cash for Onity HECM servicing portfolio, Blackstone equity position, thinking out to now November, you have the $60 million of debt. So I guess, capital allocation and cash use in 2027, outside of that additional $90 million worth of debt, how else could you return capital to shareholders? Can you share with us maybe plans on that? Could it be potential share buybacks, a dividend? Just kind of trying to understand how you think about that.

Graham Fleming

Yes, all of the above. Like once we retire the $90 million, we are continuing to generate cash through our operations and our [indiscernible] activity on the balance sheet. So yes, share buybacks and dividends are both likely outcomes once we retire the $90 million unsecured debt.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Poggi from Raymond James.

Gabriel Poggi

So my first question is you guys are going to pay down $60 million on the notes this month. Can we just walk through and it kind of piggybacks on Tim's prior question, kind of how you're thinking about cash usage, et cetera, to get to the $90 million a year from now? That's 2?

Matthew Engel

Yes. I guess a couple of things, Gabe. I think, first, as Graham mentioned, we have a number of prior securitizations that we have continued to call and reissue activity. So we expect over the course of 2027 to generate additional cash from that activity. And then also, as we've talked about in prior calls, we are still pursuing financing on our HECM MSR asset that we don't know the exact timing of that, but we expect that certainly in the first half of '27, generated significant additional cash from that as well. So core operations, the call and reissue activity and the HECM MSR, the combination of those 3 gives us high level of confidence that the $90 million will be easily paid off at the end of next year.

Gabriel Poggi

Got it. And then I had a question on -- you guys talked about returning to historical margins late -- I guess, late one half '27, and that's been the inflection point to get to your new guidance in the back half of the year. What exactly is that historical margin number that you guys are using or pointing to just for modeling purposes? I know you've given some volume guidance, but where do you think margins should shake out or could shake out as we get towards the back half of next year?

Matthew Engel

So I'd say, on average, that historical margin is about 10.7%, right? We've seen some quarters higher than that. We've seen some quarters lower than that, right, as things change. But that's the number we're kind of targeting. Again, I think we'll get back to those margins in the first half of '27. The volume, we're down a little bit in Q1, most likely and then starting to hit our stride in Q2 seasonally. And so that's what really kind of leads to the guidance for the second half of the year.

Operator

This concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Graham Fleming for closing remarks.

Graham Fleming

Yes. I want to thank everybody for joining our call today, and we look forward to updating you in March on our full year 2026 results. Thank you very much, everybody, for joining the call today.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.

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