AMERISAFE(AMSF)2026年第3四半期決算説明会:保険料の成長と価格圧力
AMERISAFEの2026年第3四半期決算は、既経過保険料や純投資収益が増加したものの、費用増大と労災保険市場の競争激化により、当期純利益が720万ドルへと前年同期比で大幅に減少しました。経営陣は一部競合の非合理的な価格設定を指摘しつつも、採算性重視の規律ある引受姿勢を維持する方針を示しています。
AMERISAFEの2026年第3四半期決算は、既経過保険料と投資収益が増加したものの、費用増大と労災保険市場全般における競争激化に伴い、純利益は減少しました。
主要なポイント
- 当期純利益は720万ドル(希薄化後1株当たり0.39ドル)となり、前年同期(2025年第3四半期)の1,380万ドル(希薄化後1株当たり0.72ドル)から減少しました。営業純利益は前年同期の1,060万ドルから740万ドルに減少しました。
- 既経過純保険料は、足元の保険料計上、契約件数の増加、および高い顧客維持率に支えられ、前年同期比3%増の7,330万ドルとなりました。有効保有契約件数は4%増加しました。
- 元受収入保険料は4.5%減の7,670万ドルとなりました。給与監査および関連調整により、四半期保険料は160万ドル減少しました(前年同期は250万ドルの増加)。
- 当期事故年度の損害率は72%にとどまりました。AMERISAFEは主に2023年以前の事故年度から、690万ドルの有利な準備金調整額を計上しました。
- 経営陣は競争環境が熾烈であると説明し、一部のライバル企業は引受採算性よりも保険料成長を優先していると述べました。同社はリスク選別と価格設定の規律への注力を維持しました。
- 純投資収益は60万ドル増の660万ドルとなり、課税等価帳簿利回りは9ベーシスポイント上昇して4%となりました。
主要財務データ
| 指標 | 2026年第3四半期 | 2025年第3四半期 | 増減・背景 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 当期純利益 | 720万ドル | 1,380万ドル | 前年同期比で減少 |
| 希薄化後EPS | 0.39ドル | 0.72ドル | 前年同期比で減少 |
| 営業純利益 | 740万ドル | 1,060万ドル | 前年同期比で減少 |
| 営業EPS | 0.40ドル | 0.55ドル | 前年同期比で減少 |
| 元受収入保険料 | 7,670万ドル | 8,030万ドル | 4.5%減 |
| 既経過純保険料 | 7,330万ドル | 7,120万ドル | 3%増 |
| 引受費用およびその他費用 | 2,380万ドル | 2,210万ドル | 賦課金、人件費、手数料の増加 |
| 事業費率 | 32.5% | 31.1% | 前年同期比で上昇 |
| 当期事故年度の損害率 | 72% | — | 経営陣の従来の見通しから変更なし |
| 有利な準備金調整額 | 690万ドル | — | 主に2023年以前の事故年度 |
| 純投資収益 | 660万ドル | 600万ドル | 60万ドル増 |
| 課税等価帳簿利回り | 4.0% | 3.91% | 9ベーシスポイント上昇 |
| 実効税率 | 20% | 21% | 非課税投資からの収益増加 |
事業および営業業績
当四半期に引き受けた任意保険の保険料は0.8%増加しました。AMERISAFEは更新を提示した契約の92.3%を更新し、有効保有契約件数は前年同期比で4%増加しました。1契約あたりの平均保険料はほぼ横ばいでした。
経営陣によると、一部の州で競争が激化したことで新規保険料の伸びが減速しました。同社は、より積極的な価格設定、手数料体系、契約者配当が提示されている傾向を観察しています。一部の競合他社の動向を「非合理的」と評したものの、AMERISAFEは採算が取れない契約を獲得しに行くことはしないと述べました。
当期事故年度の保険金請求頻度および深刻度は前事故年度と同水準でした。しかし、報告された絶対的な請求件数は増加し、保険料の伸びを上回る請求の増加が見られました。2026年の最初の9ヶ月間で、AMERISAFEが記録した100万ドルを超える請求は18件となり、2025年同期の17件および2025年通期の25件と比較されます。
給与監査による調整保険料はプラスを維持し、被保険者の給与総額が当初の試算を上回っていることを示しましたが、2025年第3四半期と比べると大幅に低下しました。経営陣は、賃金上昇の鈍化、異例の大型マイナス監査の発生、および堅調な解約保険料を理由として挙げました。特定業種における監査パターンに重要な変化は見られませんでした。
四半期末時点で、AMERISAFEは約7億5,300万ドルの有価証券、現金および現金同等物を保有していました。ポートフォリオの平均信用格付けはAA-で、デュレーションは4.7年でした。新規投資利回りは、ポートフォリオの満期償還利回りを約146ベーシスポイント上回りました。
ポートフォリオの構成割合は、地方債58%、社債25%、米国債および政府機関債3%、株式9%、現金および現金同等物5%でした。約41%が満期保有目的として分類されており、報告された帳簿価格には反映されていない2,380万ドルの評価損を抱えています。
経営陣の見通し
経営陣は、第3四半期中に任意保険料の伸びが減速したにもかかわらず、2026年通期で1桁台半ばの成長予測を維持しました。
2027保険年度について、同社は労災保険の平均損害コスト(ロスコスト)が約5%〜6%低下すると見込んでいます。経営陣は、損害コストの低下ペースについて、以前予想されていた減速ではなく安定化していると述べました。
AMERISAFEは、採算性の低い条件で保険料増大を追求する競合他社に対抗するのではなく、引受採算性、業務効率化、および慎重な資本管理を引き続き優先すると述べました。
リスクと注視すべき領域
- 価格競争:経営陣は、第3四半期中に積極的な価格設定、手数料、配当体系の拡大が顕著に見られたと報告しました。
- 損害コストの低下:1桁台半ばの損害コスト低下が継続することで、保険料の伸びや発生率の分母に圧力がかかる可能性があります。
- 保険金請求の傾向:契約件数の増加が寄与しているものの、絶対的な請求件数は増加しました。
- 医療インフレ:入院費、病院費用、および在宅医療費が、最も大きなコスト圧力に直面している領域として特定されました。
- 事業費率:分母となる既経過保険料の減少、保険関連の賦課金、人件費、および手数料の増加により、事業費率は32.5%に上昇しました。州別賦課金ではデラウェア州が最大を占めました。
- 賃金上昇率と顧客のマージン:経営陣は被保険者である雇主の賃金上昇減速を観察しており、原油、軽油、ガソリン価格などの要因による利益率低下の圧力を指摘しました。
アナリスト質疑応答のハイライト
経営陣は、請求件数の増加が保険料率の低下のみに起因するものではないと説明しました。絶対的な請求件数は増加しましたが、AMERISAFEの有効保有契約件数も4%増加していました。発生頻度と深刻度は前事故年度と同水準を維持しています。
価格設定について、経営陣は大部分の州における損害コスト申請が引き続き低下傾向を示していると述べました。ノースカロライナ州は10.8%減少した一方、オレゴン州、カリフォルニア州、ネバダ州は増加を示しましたが、ネバダ州の変更は行政手続き上のものと説明されました。
医療費に関して、AMERISAFEは同社の重症損害リスクに伴う在宅医療費に加え、入院費および病院費用を最も重要なコスト増加要因として特定しました。
経営陣はまた、総合保険会社が損益分岐点に近い引受水準で労災保険事業を受け入れる理由についても議論しました。労災保険は支払完了までの期間が長いロングテール種目であり、金利上昇によって関連するキャッシュフローの価値が高まり得ることを指摘しました。AMERISAFEは、単に保険料を獲得するためだけに競合他社に追随することはないと改めて強調しました。
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経営陣による説明
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the AMERISAFE Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Kathryn Shirley, Chief Administrative Officer. Please go ahead.
Kathryn Shirley
Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the AMERISAFE 2026 Third Quarter Investor Call. If you have not received the earnings release, it is available on our website at amerisafe.com. This call is being recorded. A replay of today's call will be available. Details on how to access the replay are in the earnings release.
During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements intended to fall within the safe harbor provided under the securities laws. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements if the underlying assumptions prove to be incorrect or as the result of risks, uncertainties and other factors, including factors discussed in the earnings release, in the comments made during today's call and in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q and other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements.
I will now turn the call over to Janelle Frost, AMERISAFE's President and CEO.
G. Frost
Thank you, Kathryn, and good morning, everyone. Joining me today are Guillermo Ramos, our Chief Financial Officer; and Vincent Gagliano, our Chief Risk Officer. AMERISAFE continues to demonstrate the disciplined underwriting, reserve strength and capital management that we've defined our company throughout multiple market cycles. While competitive pressures in workers' compensation were elevated, the quarter reinforced several key strengths of our franchise. We grew policy count, we achieved strong renewal retention, we generated favorable reserve development and maintained exceptional balance sheet strength. These results reflect both the resilience of our business model and the value of our specialized approach to serving hazardous industries.
Our strategy emphasizes risk selection, pricing discipline and long-term profitability. The workers' compensation marketplace is increasingly competitive with some carriers prioritizing premium growth over underwriting returns. Our approach remains unchanged, preserve underwriting integrity through the cycle to create superior value for our shareholders. We believe this positions AMERISAFE exceptionally well to capitalize on opportunities as market conditions evolve.
During the quarter, net premiums earned increased 3% year-over-year, supported by continued growth in policy count, strong retention of existing accounts. Voluntary premium on policies written in the quarter grew 0.8%, led by continued strong pricing. We renewed 92.3% of the policies for which we offered renewal. However, competition intensified in the quarter in select states, which slowed our new premium growth.
Turning to losses. Our current accident year loss ratio remains at 72%. We continue to monitor frequency, severity and medical trends closely. As we've discussed in previous quarters, medical inflation remains an area of focus for the workers' compensation industry. Throughout the third -- through the third quarter, both frequency and severity for the current accident year were in line with the prior accident year, with growth in claims reported exceeding premium growth.
Our claims team continues to demonstrate their expertise in actively managing claims and finding opportunities to resolve them effectively and efficiently. We experienced $6.9 million of favorable reserve development during the quarter, primarily from accident years 2023 and prior. We attribute that favorable development to our proactive claims handling and the consistent approach our team takes from time a claim is reported through resolution. Our ability and experience in handling severe claims and our reserve strength continue to be distinguishing characteristics for AMERISAFE.
We remain confident in our long-term outlook for our business and our ability to create sustainable value for shareholders through disciplined underwriting, prudent capital management and operational excellence.
And with that, I'll turn the call over to Guillermo.
Guillermo Ramos
Thank you, Janelle. Good morning, everyone. For the third quarter of 2026, AMERISAFE reported net income of $7.2 million or $0.39 per diluted share and operating net income of $7.4 million or $0.40 per diluted share. For reference, in the third quarter of 2025, net income was $13.8 million or $0.72 per diluted share and operating net income was $10.6 million or $0.55 per diluted share.
Turning to premiums. Gross written premiums decreased 4.5% to $76.7 million from $80.3 million in the third quarter of 2025. Payroll audit and related adjustments reduced premiums by $1.6 million this quarter compared with a $2.5 million increase in the prior year quarter -- prior year quarter, excuse me. Despite the unfavorable audit and related premium adjustments during the quarter, net premiums earned increased 3% to $73.3 million from $71.2 million, supported by strong premium production in recent quarters. Total underwriting and other expenses were $23.8 million compared to $22.1 million in the third quarter of 2025, resulting in an expense ratio of 32.5% compared with 31.1% a year ago. The increase was driven by increased insurance-related assessments, higher compensation costs and higher commission expense. Our effective tax rate for the quarter was 20% compared to 21% in the prior year quarter. The decrease was due to a higher proportion of income from tax-exempt investments.
Turning to investments. Net investment income was $6.6 million in the quarter, an increase of $0.6 million from the third quarter of 2025. The reinvestment rate environment remained favorable with yields on new investments exceeding portfolio roll-off yields by approximately 146 basis points. As a result, the tax equivalent book yield increased to 4%, up 9 basis points from the third quarter of 2025. Our portfolio remains conservatively positioned, carrying an average AA- credit rating and a duration of 4.7 years. At quarter end, we held approximately $753 million in investments, cash and cash equivalents. The portfolio was comprised of 58% municipal bonds, 25% corporate bonds, 3% U.S. treasuries and agencies, 9% equity securities and 5% cash and cash equivalents. Approximately 41% of the portfolio was classified as held to maturity and carry a net unrealized loss position of $23.8 million. As a reminder, these securities are carried at amortized costs, and therefore, unrealized gains and losses are not reflected in reported book value.
Our diversified equity holdings recorded a modest unrealized loss of $0.2 million compared to $4.1 million unrealized gain in the prior year quarter. Statutory surplus was $208.4 million at quarter end compared to $217.8 million at year-end 2025. Book value per share decreased to $12.8 million, down 4.8% year-to-date. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 5,000 shares at an average price of $30.18 per share, representing $0.2 million return to shareholders. Overall, the quarter reflected growth in earned premiums and continued improvement in portfolio yields, partially offset by unfavorable audit premium adjustments and higher expenses. We remain focused on disciplined underwriting, profitable premium production and improving operating leverage while maintaining a conservative investment portfolio and a prudent approach to capital management. Lastly, we will file our Form 10-Q with the SEC tomorrow, October 30, 2026, after the market close.
With that, I would like to turn the call over to the operator for the questions.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We will now take our first question from Mark Hughes with Truist Securities.
質疑応答
Mark Hughes
Janelle, I think you talked on the last call about frequency being up through the six months. I think you said on the call just a second ago that growth in claims reported is exceeding premium growth. Have you seen any change in that trajectory? Is it accelerating as you go through the year? Is that a function of premiums being down rather than claims being up, I guess, measured against headcount or payroll or something like that? Just a little more on what's going on with frequency would be great.
G. Frost
Mark, let me start with absolute reported claim counts are up. So I would love to say, it's really all premium related, but that is not true. However, at the same time, our reported claims are up. We've written more policies, right? We have more policies in force. Our in-force policies have grown 4% year-over-year from an in-force basis.
So yes, absolute claim counts are up. I think you'll see that when we file the 10-Q later today, but you'll also keep in mind, we have more policies in force. That being said, there's certainly pressure on that denominator in terms of premium. As you know, we came into this year expecting mid- to high single-digit rate declines. That has been the experience. The rate filings that are now in force that are going to be, I guess, for now and for 2027, more of the same. So we were -- I think everybody in the industry was thinking the rate of decline would slow, but that really hasn't necessarily been the case. So that puts pressure on frequency.
Mark Hughes
When you talk about the rate filings, any specific numbers there? I think sometimes you talked about kind of the recent trend. It sounds like you're seeing -- you say more of the same. Is that mid- to upper single digits? Is that what I heard you say?
G. Frost
If you look at the latest charts that are out there, the lowest decline is North Carolina down 10.8%. And I think there are three states that have increases, Oregon, California and Nevada. Nevada was an administrative change, so I wouldn't really count that one as much. But everyone else is a decline. I think on average, we're still looking in that 5% to 6% range for loss cost declines going into 2027, into the 2027 premium year.
Mark Hughes
Yes. And in your judgment, you are saying that the industry was hoping for better or thought it would do better?
G. Frost
I think we said early on this year that we thought we were expecting the rate of the declines to slow, and when I talk about the declines, the loss costs. They did not slow. They more stabilized, would be probably the better term.
Mark Hughes
Is that because NCCI is looking in the rearview mirror, or it is because that is what is happening in the marketplace?
G. Frost
Well, NCCI using the data that companies are reporting in. So yes, that data is 18 months out, but they apply trend factors to that as well. I think it depends on individual company experience and what we're going to see in terms of what companies are experiencing in the here and now in terms of frequency, severity and reserve development from more recent accident years.
Mark Hughes
Yes. And when you say you have more policies, I think your policy size, correct me if I'm wrong, has shrunk a little bit with the competitive dynamic in the market. If you look at it on a headcount or payroll basis, is it still up?
G. Frost
No, from the average account size, if that's what you're referring to, I would say it's relatively flat.
Mark Hughes
Okay. Yes. Okay. And how about the audit premium? This was the first negative result in a while. What's driving that? Are there any particular industries, end markets where you're seeing more influence?
G. Frost
Yes, I'll give some color, and then I'll pass it off to Vince to give you a little bit more detail. The audit in the quarter -- let me be very clear, even though I know we talked about the decrease compared to the prior year quarter. Audit premiums themselves remain positive, meaning our insured base, their expected payrolls were higher than what they were when they originally estimated for that premium year or that policy year. So I want to be very clear that they remain positive. They were lower, considerably lower than third quarter of last year.
So when I read into that, I think about what does that mean for the economy of our insured base? And is there something happening there? We have seen a slowing of the wage growth itself. I think for the quarter, we saw -- Vince will give more detail, but I think it's like 4.1% in total. And that really wasn't new employee count.
So I think -- and I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone. I think employers, small to midsized employers are experiencing the pressures on wages given the margin compression they're experienced with things that are happening. I still believe that there is a positive economic outlook for the people that we insure. There is definitely a labor shortage. So that speaks to potential higher wages. But at the same time, there's margin compression. Obviously, things happening with oil prices and diesel and gasoline are impactful to our industry.
So I think employers are being cautious about wage growth. But I believe, as we've talked about before, particularly during the COVID years, we talked about, is the next job there? I believe the next job is there. We haven't seen or heard of project delays and those types of things. So I still like that's economically a positive for AMERISAFE going forward.
Vince can talk about the quarter specifically and industries.
Vincent Gagliano
Yes, Mark, I'll start with industries. We do not see any material change in any specific industry audit premium patterns. The color I would add to the quarter is more about just the mechanics of premium audit. Keep in mind, we're auditing policies that were written over a year ago. We also don't control the timing necessarily of when those audits come through or whether they'll be bigger or smaller than usual.
I can tell you, we did have a couple unusually large negative audits in the quarter that on a small audit premium base does move the number significantly. We also had cancellation premium that while it wasn't out of the norm, it was robust, I'd say, and coming in on top of low audit premium, it really just created a pretty negative look for audit and adjustments for the quarter. We were a little surprised in general, but I will also say that our Q3 audit and adjustment premium is typically our lowest of the year if we look back over about 10 years of history.
Mark Hughes
Is that cancellation premium, is that a little more shopping around?
Vincent Gagliano
Yes. Yes, certainly. Competition is intensifying. We're having to battle more and more to keep the accounts we have much less writing new business.
Mark Hughes
As you said last quarter, you saw maybe some of the package carriers are getting a little more aggressive in the market. Any observations about what is -- what's happening this quarter, the intensity versus 3 or 6 months ago? And then whether is it the same players doing the same thing?
Vincent Gagliano
It is the same players. I think we've reached a point where we're comfortable saying we're seeing some irrational behavior.
G. Frost
And we haven't used that term in a while.
Vincent Gagliano
No, we kind of debated who say it first. Yes, competition is intense. Some days, Mark, I feel like we're fighting for every single account. It's not quite that bad, but we see some really bizarre things happening out there where it's apparent to us that some competitors are just chasing premium over profitability. So that's where we draw the line, and it's tough for us to walk away. But sometimes we just think if we can't write it profitable, that's what we're going to do.
Mark Hughes
Yes. I've got a few more. I'm happy to drop off if that makes sense. So I put myself in the queue if there's not much more of a queue, then feel free to call on me before I come back.
G. Frost
I believe there is a queue.
Mark Hughes
I'm dominating I apologize.
G. Frost
We will speak soon.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We will go next to David Samar with Citizens.
David Samar
This is David on for Matt. So just on large losses, are you able to kind of let us know where you stand versus last year, just a year ago?
G. Frost
At quarter end, we would -- for the year, we had 18 claims over $1 million. Last year, we -- third quarter, we were at 17, and we ended the year with 25. So we're at 18 through the first 9 months.
David Samar
And on the expense ratio, obviously, it was a little bit higher this quarter, driven by those assessments. Were there any states or areas with outsized assessments that you can kind of point out for us?
Mark Hughes
Yes. Well, first of all, what I would like just to mention is that, yes, the expense ratio was higher, but it has to do as well with the earned premium. So we need to take a look at the denominator, okay? And there were three states that had those assessments. The biggest one was Delaware.
David Samar
And then I guess, lastly, just kind of digging a little further on the competitive environment. Voluntary growth slowed just a bit. Is this kind of the new normal that we should expect? Or is there anything else to comment on there?
G. Frost
No, I don't expect that to be a new normal. Vince was talking about, certainly, we saw the level of competition notch up a bit, if that's the right term to use in the third quarter, but we compete every day. My expectation is, as we started this year, we said we were shooting for mid-single-digit growth for the year. That outlook or that expectation for me has not changed.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] We will return to Mark Hughes with Truist Securities.
G. Frost
Welcome back, Mark.
Mark Hughes
How about the medical inflation? Anything there? One theory on a little higher frequency was maybe just overall pressure on medical costs, more people with high deductible plans that may find it more convenient to work through the comp system with health issues rather than their health plans. What do you think about that?
G. Frost
It's a really interesting point, Mark, because when we talk about medical inflation and we look at our book and even if we look across industry data, a lot of companies have talked about the inflation increase in hospitalization and hospital costs. I think that's a direct correlation to what -- exactly what you're talking about, just the experience that everyone in the country is experiencing on the health care -- the health care front.
What hospitals are experiencing with lower reimbursement rates, what employers are experiencing in terms of their own health insurance cost and benefits. I mean it's all interconnected. It's all related. And that's probably where -- other than home health because I will continue to beat that drum for AMERISAFE because I do think it's not unique to us, but given the severity of our injuries, that's certainly important to us. Hospitalization and hospital costs are probably where we're seeing the greatest pressure.
Mark Hughes
Yes. Okay. Yes, I think that was it for me.
G. Frost
Okay. I'm sorry I cut you off. Maybe you just had one more question. We could have done another.
Mark Hughes
No, I had my whole list. As I was reviewing my list, I thought, oh, my gosh. We've already gone through them.
G. Frost
Well, David beat you to the punch on the large losses, so we'll give him credit. You'll get credit for that.
Mark Hughes
Yes. Well, let me ask you this. You mentioned the point about irrational and kind of contemplating whether to use that word. What are the ramifications of that if somebody said, gosh, people are starting to be irrational. What does that make you think about as you're running the business?
G. Frost
Yes. We really internally talked about do we use the word or not because we've seen -- and I've talked about this on prior calls, we've seen anecdotally on different accounts where we thought how are they charging that? When we lose something to a competitor, how are they charging that? And sometimes if it's a multiline carrier, it's a little bit hard for us to compare apples and apples, granted, that is true.
But I would say the anecdotes were more principle this quarter than in the past. And so that's why we -- I feel comfortable using the word irrational. There definitely was a shift in the -- that we saw in the quarter. It's the best way for me to say it. And I shouldn't say -- I should also say this, and I don't think we commented on this earlier. It wasn't just pricing, right? And we saw what I would call irrational commission structures and in states where you compete on dividends.
So it was all related to how you win the account from a pricing perspective, whether it's commission, the rate itself or dividends. We saw -- we just saw an uptick in that in the third quarter and so that's why I would say irrational. And compare and contrast that to AMERISAFE because, again, we compete every day. So I don't want to make this all about the competition. This is how AMERISAFE behaves in the marketplace. We're not -- as Vincent said, we're not chasing that price. We want to win the account. We want to win the account under AMERISAFE value proposition, what we offer the policyholder, what we offer the agent, but more importantly, what's going to produce long-term profitable growth for AMERISAFE. So we -- it's a balance of all of those things. Guillermo was talking about the expense ratio.
And if you look at -- and I know this isn't information that's anywhere published, but you look at our expense ratio, and again, certainly, the audit premium hurt the expense ratio this particular quarter. But even if I look at it on a year-to-date basis, we're gaining operational efficiencies in what I would call fixed costs or nonvariable costs. So that's something we've really been focused on as we try to find ways to create ease of doing business. At the same time, are we managing that expense ratio. And we're definitely making progress there on a year-to-date basis. I feel comfortable about that.
But going to the variable costs, if I look at our commission expense on a year-to-date basis, we're 10 basis points higher than we were last year at this point in time. So we're not I mean, I think we're trying to find creative ways and rewarding those agencies and those policyholders that do bring us profitable business, at the same time, not using it as a premium grab.
Mark Hughes
Yes. I had a question. This is a general question we've been thinking about is that when you look at some of the package writers, you'll see the profitability, say, in their property, the commercial multi-peril property or nonliability will be very high. And at the same time, the profitability in the liability portion of it is abysmal. And I wonder the extent to which the same thing happening here in comp that everybody is pursuing the package, but the profit allocation is subject to a lot of discretion. We're just -- you try to figure out why would you write package business where you get the property at 50 and the GL at 120 combined if you look at that on a direct under any basis, it doesn't make sense or maybe it does. We're trying to figure out why that happens, but I wonder if you have any comments on that.
G. Frost
Yes. I don't know that I have the why behind that. I can say from a workers' comp perspective and a package carrier why write the comp at maybe something that breaks even is because it's a long tail line, right? And where the interest rates are, where interest rates are now, you can make money off of the cash flow portion of that. So maybe that $100 million combined in workers' comp is still more profitable than that $100 million combined in property to your point. If that gives you any color. But I can only -- again, I can only really speak about it in terms of what it means to the workers' comp.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, with no other questions holding, I'd like to turn the call back to CEO, Janelle Frost, for any additional or closing remarks.
G. Frost
AMERISAFE has successfully navigated workers' compensation cycles for decades by remaining disciplined when markets become increasingly competitive. That discipline continues today. Our recent A.M. Best rating affirmation reflects our underwriting discipline, prudent reserving, strong capitalization and long-term focus on execution, the same fundamentals that continue to drive our performance. We believe these strengths position us well to serve our policyholders, create sustainable value for shareholders and navigate current market conditions. We are operating from a position of strength with a team that remains intensely focused on underwriting profitability. Thank you for your continued support of AMERISAFE.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time.
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