Teleconferência de Resultados do 1º Trimestre Fiscal de 2027 da Twin Disc (TWIN): Carteira de Pedidos Recorde de US$ 190,6 Milhões
A Twin Disc registrou fortes resultados no primeiro trimestre fiscal de 2027, impulsionada pela demanda do setor de defesa, produtos marítimos e petróleo e gás. A receita cresceu 10,9% na comparação anual, alcançando US$ 88,7 milhões, enquanto o lucro operacional mais que dobrou para US$ 4,6 milhões e a carteira de pedidos (backlog) atingiu o recorde de US$ 190,6 milhões. O fluxo de caixa livre melhorou para US$ 5,6 milhões e a dívida líquida caiu para US$ 13,1 milhões. Para o ano fiscal de 2027, a administração projeta margem bruta estável e conversão de fluxo de caixa entre 20% e 40%, mantendo as metas de longo prazo para 2030.
A Twin Disc, Inc. (NASDAQ: TWIN) divulgou resultados mais fortes no primeiro trimestre fiscal de 2027, impulsionados pela demanda do setor de defesa, produtos marítimos e pela melhora na atividade de petróleo e gás. A receita cresceu 10,9%, o lucro operacional mais que dobrou e a carteira de pedidos (backlog) de seis meses atingiu o recorde de US$ 190,6 milhões.
Destaques Principais
- As vendas no 1º trimestre fiscal de 2027 subiram 10,9% em comparação ao mesmo período do ano anterior, atingindo US$ 88,7 milhões. As vendas orgânicas, excluindo aquisições e variação cambial, avançaram 11,8%.
- O lucro operacional mais que dobrou, alcançando US$ 4,6 milhões, enquanto o EBITDA cresceu 62,6%, para US$ 7,7 milhões.
- O lucro líquido atribuível à Twin Disc foi de US$ 3,4 milhões, ou US$ 0,24 por ação diluída, em comparação com um prejuízo líquido de US$ 518 mil, ou US$ 0,04 por ação, um ano antes.
- A carteira de pedidos (backlog) de seis meses atingiu o valor recorde de US$ 190,6 milhões, ante US$ 178,3 milhões no encerramento do ano fiscal de 2026 e US$ 163,3 milhões há um ano.
- O segmento de defesa representou aproximadamente 24% da carteira de pedidos, ante 17% no final do ano fiscal. O backlog total de defesa aumentou cerca de 104% na comparação anual.
- O fluxo de caixa livre melhorou para US$ 5,6 milhões, ante US$ 11,0 milhões negativos, enquanto a dívida líquida caiu para US$ 13,1 milhões, vinda de US$ 29,5 milhões um ano antes.
Principais Resultados Financeiros
| Métrica | 1º Trimestre Fiscal de 2027 | Comparação |
|---|---|---|
| Vendas | US$ 88,7 milhões | Alta de 10,9% na comparação anual |
| Crescimento das vendas orgânicas | 11,8% | Exclui aquisições e variação cambial |
| Lucro bruto | US$ 25,4 milhões | Alta de 10,9% ante US$ 22,9 milhões |
| Margem bruta | 28,7% | Em linha com o mesmo trimestre do ano anterior |
| Despesas de ME&A | US$ 20,8 milhões | US$ 20,7 milhões um ano antes |
| Lucro operacional | US$ 4,6 milhões | Mais que dobrou em relação a US$ 2,2 milhões |
| Lucro líquido atribuível à Twin Disc | US$ 3,4 milhões | Versus prejuízo líquido de US$ 518 mil |
| LPA diluído | US$ 0,24 | Versus prejuízo de US$ 0,04 por ação |
| EBITDA | US$ 7,7 milhões | Alta de 62,6% na comparação anual |
| Fluxo de caixa operacional | US$ 11,5 milhões | — |
| Investimentos em capital (Capex) | US$ 5,8 milhões | Aumento de investimentos no crescimento |
| Fluxo de caixa livre | US$ 5,6 milhões | Versus US$ 11,0 milhões negativos |
| Caixa | US$ 26,7 milhões | Saldo ao final do trimestre |
| Dívida total | US$ 39,8 milhões | Saldo ao final do trimestre |
| Dívida líquida | US$ 13,1 milhões | Queda ante US$ 29,5 milhões um ano antes |
| Alavancagem líquida | 0,4x | Queda ante 1,3x um ano antes |
| Backlog de seis meses | US$ 190,6 milhões | Nível recorde reportado |
Desempenho Operacional e dos Negócios
O setor de defesa continuou sendo o principal motor de crescimento. A Twin Disc fornece transmissões para programas de embarcações não tripuladas e autônomas da Marinha dos EUA, enquanto a subsidiária finlandesa Katsa fornece componentes de trem de força (driveline) para veículos militares de clientes da OTAN. A administração também destacou programas emergentes da Katsa no Oriente Médio e na Ásia.
As vendas de Sistemas Marítimos e de Propulsão subiram 14% na comparação anual, lideradas por produtos das marcas Veth, Kobelt e Twin Disc. O segmento foi beneficiado pela demanda por transmissões militares, por uma atividade marítima comercial mais forte na Ásia e por condições de mercado amplamente favoráveis.
As vendas reportadas do segmento de Transmissão Terrestre recuaram 15%. A administração informou que a queda refletiu principalmente uma reclassificação para o segmento Industrial. Os indicadores subjacentes de demanda permaneceram construtivos, com ordens mais fortes ligadas ao setor de energia na América do Norte, América Latina e China.
As vendas Industriais aumentaram aproximadamente 35%, sustentadas pelos negócios de veículos de defesa da Katsa na Europa e pela demanda estável de clientes do setor de construção e reciclagem na América do Norte. A Katsa e a Veth operam com margem bruta abaixo da média da Twin Disc, embora a administração tenha ressaltado que suas margens continuam evoluindo.
O segmento de petróleo e gás representou pouco mais de 9% da receita trimestral, contra pouco mais de 8% um ano antes. A receita vinda desse mercado aumentou cerca de 22% em dólares. A Twin Disc possui pedidos para e-frac (fraturamento elétrico), mas a administração esclareceu que as entregas do trimestre foram destinadas a aplicações de gás natural e diesel tradicional, e não a e-frac.
A Europa respondeu por 46% das vendas, a América do Norte por 26% e a Ásia-Pacífico por 20%. A Twin Disc registrou crescimento de dois dígitos nas vendas na Europa e na Ásia-Pacífico, com o crescimento europeu impulsionado pela Katsa e pela demanda do setor de defesa.
Os estoques equivaleram a 94% do backlog, uma melhora em relação aos 117% de um ano antes e aos 100% registrados no final do ano fiscal de 2026. A administração atribuiu o avanço à gestão disciplinada de estoques, que também ajudou na redução da dívida líquida.
Projeções da Administração
A administração espera que a margem bruta do ano fiscal de 2027 permaneça amplamente em linha com a do ano fiscal de 2026. A empresa manteve suas metas para 2030 de US$ 500 milhões em receita, margem bruta de 30% e conversão de fluxo de caixa livre acima de 60%.
Para o ano fiscal de 2027, a administração prevê uma conversão de fluxo de caixa livre de aproximadamente 20% a 40%, abaixo da meta de longo prazo devido à priorização de investimentos em capacidade e eficiência por parte da Twin Disc. Os investimentos em capital (Capex) devem somar cerca de US$ 25 milhões no ano.
A nova fábrica de montagem da Katsa na Finlândia, com 54.000 pés quadrados (cerca de 5.000 m²), deve entrar em plena operação em maio de 2027. A Katsa espera dobrar a capacidade de montagem de caixas de transmissão até 2028 para atender à demanda por defesa, geração de energia industrial e equipamentos pesados.
Riscos e Principais Pontos de Atenção
- A conversão do fluxo de caixa livre no ano fiscal de 2027 dependerá em parte do cronograma e da execução dos investimentos de capital planejados, incluindo prazos de entrega internos e externos.
- A administração projeta um novo aumento nos pedidos de embarcações não tripuladas para a Marinha dos EUA durante o 2º trimestre fiscal, seguido por uma possível pausa por vários trimestres após as encomendas para os 30 barcos iniciais entrarem na carteira de pedidos.
- A Katsa e a Veth estão crescendo rapidamente, mas atualmente operam com margens brutas abaixo da média da empresa, o que limita a expansão da margem no curto prazo.
- As comparações de receita reportadas entre os segmentos foram afetadas pela reclassificação das operações de Transmissão Terrestre para o segmento Industrial.
Destaques da Sessão de Perguntas e Respostas com Analistas
A administração espera que os novos pedidos líquidos no setor de defesa voltem a subir no 2º trimestre fiscal. Para a Katsa, os programas de caminhões da OTAN continuam sendo a maior oportunidade, com a expectativa de que programas adicionais no Oriente Médio e na Ásia também contribuam para as encomendas no segundo trimestre.
A exposição da Katsa ao mercado de data centers vem do fornecimento de componentes a fabricantes europeus de motores que produzem geradores de energia de emergência. As vendas trimestrais vinculadas a data centers ainda ficaram abaixo de US$ 1 milhão, mas a gestão ressaltou que os pedidos estão em crescimento e que o segmento pode gerar milhões em receita para a Katsa. Esses componentes exigem capacidade de usinagem, e não espaço na nova fábrica de montagem.
A Twin Disc afirmou que seu pipeline de oportunidades nos setores aeroespacial e de defesa, estimado entre US$ 30 milhões e US$ 50 milhões, continua se renovando à medida que os projetos se convertem em pedidos firmes. Novas oportunidades marítimas com outras marinhas e programas de veículos terrestres por meio da Katsa estão sustentando esse pipeline.
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Comentários da administração
Operator
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Twin Disc, Inc. Fiscal First Quarter 2027 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]
I'd now like to turn the conference over to Jeff Knutson, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Jeffrey Knutson
Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our fiscal 2027 first quarter results.
On the call with me today is John Batten, Twin Disc's CEO.
I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during this conference call, especially statements expressing hopes, beliefs, expectations or predictions for the future are forward-looking statements. It is important to remember that the company's actual results could differ materially from those projected in such forward-looking statements. Information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are contained in the company's annual report on Form 10-K, copies of which may be obtained by contacting either the company or the SEC.
Any forward-looking statements that are made during this call are based on assumptions as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise these statements to reflect subsequent events or new information.
During today's call, management will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. For a definition of non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial results, please see the earnings release issued earlier today.
Now I'll turn the call over to John.
John Batten
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our fiscal 2027 first quarter conference call. Our first quarter results continued to build on the strong momentum we established in fiscal 2026. Demand remains strong across our end markets, and our performance in the quarter drove solid revenue of $88.7 million, a 10.9% increase over the first quarter of last year as well as a net income of $3.5 million, a 63% year-over-year increase in EBITDA and free cash flow of $5.6 million.
Importantly, defense continues to be a key growth driver, supported by growing U.S. Navy and NATO demand. Katsa, our subsidiary in Finland, booked significant defense orders in the first quarter and U.S. Navy orders related to their initial unmanned vessel program have begun to reach our order book. I'll say more about defense shortly.
While reported land-based transmission revenue was down, this is primarily related to a reclassification of revenue from transmission to industrial. Oil and gas demand was strong in the quarter, and we continue to see growing opportunities in e-frac, which carry a higher margin profile than both traditional fracking and our company-wide margins.
Our first quarter results drove 6-month backlog of $191 million, a 7% increase over the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026 and a company record. We expect to maintain a strong backlog level as we continue to see strong interest and sales momentum, supporting a robust project pipeline.
Looking at our liquidity, we generated strong free cash flow compared to negative free cash flow a year ago, and we reduced our net debt even as we continue to increase capital expenditures to support our growth.
As we mentioned on last quarter's call, we also made the decision to increase our quarterly cash dividend by 25% to $0.05 per share, demonstrating the confidence that our Board and management team have in the underlying strength of our business.
Turning now to our operations. Defense remains one of our most important long-term growth opportunities. And today, we serve 2 main groups of customers. In the U.S., we supply transmissions to shipbuilders for the U.S. Navy's unmanned and autonomous vessel programs. And in Europe, our Finnish subsidiary, Katsa provides driveline components for military vehicles to NATO customers.
To provide some context around the momentum we're seeing from defense, as of the end of the first quarter of fiscal 2027, defense accounted for approximately 24% of total backlog compared with approximately 17% of total backlog at year-end and a total defense backlog increased approximately 104% year-over-year.
Marine and Propulsion Systems sales rose 14% from a year ago. Similar to last quarter, revenue in this segment was led by continued demand for Veth, Kobelt and Twin Disc products and continues to benefit from strong military demand for marine transmissions, better commercial maritime demand in Asia and a generally strong market conditions.
Land-based transmission sales declined 15% year-over-year. Before getting into Land-Based Transmissions and industrial segments, I'd like to note that starting at the beginning of 2027 fiscal year, all cost of sales previously classified in Land-Based Transmission are now classified in Industrial.
Demand indicators in this segment remain constructive. Oil and gas is growing as a percentage of our backlog and is less volatile than in previous periods. Global demand for energy-related products and orders for energy applications have also increased. Demand trends are strengthening across North America, Latin America and China, and North American energy customers appear more inclined to invest in frac rig, including rebuilds and new units.
We also continue to advance next-generation electrified and natural gas solutions that support long-term demand. Industrial sales increased approximately 35% in the first quarter of fiscal 2027 when compared to the prior year. Katsa is a strong near-term growth driver through defense vehicle components in Europe, supported by a strong global military demand.
The Kobelt product line continues to offer considerable market opportunity, and we are seeing steady demand from North American construction and recycling customers, along with stable underlying demand across industrial end markets.
Katsa continues to make progress on the construction of its new 54,000 square foot assembly plant in Finland. The new plant is expected to be fully operational in May of 2027. And by 2028, Katsa expects to double its gearbox assembly capacity to meet rising global demand from the defense industry as well as industrial power generation and heavy equipment.
As we mentioned last quarter, Katsa is also benefiting from data center construction by providing components to major engine manufacturers who design and install backup power systems for these facilities.
Overall, our business segments performed well, and we ended the first quarter of fiscal 2027 with a 6-month backlog of approximately $190.6 million, up from $178.3 million at fiscal year-end and $163.3 million a year ago and a record on a reported basis.
Inventory as a percentage of backlog also improved, falling to 94% compared with 117% in the first quarter of fiscal 2026 and 100% at year-end. This trend represents our disciplined inventory management, which played a key role in the reduction of our net debt during the quarter. Jeff will provide more information on this in his prepared remarks.
Our strategy is clear. We continue to position Twin Disc as a leading provider of hybrid and electric solutions for niche marine and land-based applications, and we are pursuing that through organic growth, acquisitions that open new markets and geographies and a disciplined capital allocation across the enterprise. We have a strong team and plan in place to execute on all our strategic goals.
With our visibility today, we remain confident in our 2030 target of $500 million in revenue, a 30% gross margin and free cash flow conversion above 60%.
With that, I'll hand the call to Jeff to walk through the financial results in more detail.
Jeffrey Knutson
Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. Sales in the first quarter of fiscal '27 totaled $88.7 million, a 10.9% increase over the first quarter of fiscal '26. Revenue growth was primarily driven by strength in our Veth product line, expanding demand from the defense sector, improved oil and gas demand and generally strong market conditions across the global enterprise.
On an organic basis, which excludes the impact of acquisitions and foreign currency exchange, sales increased 11.8%. Gross profit increased 10.9% to $25.4 million compared to $22.9 million for the first quarter of fiscal '26. First quarter gross margin was 28.7%, consistent with the prior year period.
Marketing, Engineering and Administrative, or ME&A expense was $20.8 million, consistent with $20.7 million in the prior year quarter. The slight increase was primarily driven by an inflationary impact on wages and benefits, offset by ongoing expense control. With ME&A roughly flat on higher sales, we saw stronger operating leverage in the quarter.
Operating income more than doubled to $4.6 million compared with $2.2 million in the first quarter of fiscal '26. Net income attributable to Twin Disc for the first quarter was $3.4 million or $0.24 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $518,000 or a loss of $0.04 per diluted share in the prior year period. The improvement was primarily driven by an increase in operating income and a decrease in interest expense and other expense.
EBITDA was $7.7 million in the first quarter, an increase of 62.6% compared to the first quarter of fiscal '26. Geographically, Europe accounted for 46% of sales in the first quarter, followed by North America at 26% and Asia Pacific at 20%. In the prior year period, Europe accounted for 39% North America, 33%; and Asia Pacific, 18%.
We delivered double-digit sales growth in both Europe and Asia Pacific. Increased sales in Europe were primarily driven by contributions from our acquisitions, namely Katsa, which continues to benefit from increasing demand in the defense sector.
As I noted before, gross margin was 28.7% in the first quarter of fiscal '27, consistent with the prior year period. Our margin profile in the quarter reflects the strong growth we continue to see with Katsa and Veth, which operate at gross margins below the company average but continue to improve. Margins were also impacted by favorable product mix in land-based transmissions, including higher alternative fuel unit sales.
We expect gross margins in fiscal '27 to be broadly in line with fiscal '26, and we remain confident in our longer-term target of 30% gross margin by 2030. We generated free cash flow of $5.6 million in the quarter compared with negative free cash flow of $11 million in the prior year period, and we reduced net debt due in large part to disciplined inventory management despite increased capital expenditures in the quarter as we continue to invest in our future growth.
Operating cash flow was $11.5 million and capital expenditures were $5.8 million. While we expect long-term free cash flow conversion above 60%, it's important to remember that we're prioritizing investments in our growth in the near term. Therefore, while 60% free cash flow conversion represents a key long-term goal. We do not expect free cash flow conversion at this rate in fiscal '27.
We ended the quarter with cash of approximately $26.7 million. Total debt was $39.8 million and net debt was $13.1 million compared with $29.5 million in the prior year period. Our net debt, coupled with trailing 12-month EBITDA of $32.9 million provides us with a net leverage ratio of 0.4x as of September 25, 2026, compared with a ratio of 1.3x in the prior year.
Our capital allocation framework is unchanged. We continue to invest in organic growth, focusing on R&D, geographic expansion and marketing. On the M&A front, we remain selective on acquisitions, bolt-on or transformational, looking for strategic fit, returns above our cost of capital and the ability to strengthen our network and capabilities while further diversifying our offerings. We're also prioritizing returning capital to shareholders through our dividend, which was $0.05 per share in the quarter as well as reducing our net debt.
I'll now turn the call back to John for his closing remarks.
John Batten
Thanks, Jeff. To wrap up, the first quarter showed that the momentum from fiscal 2026 is carrying forward. Demand is healthy. Our 6-month backlog is at a record and defense momentum continues to build in both backlog and pipeline, which supports our longer-term growth. We are confident that gross margins will improve over time as we diversify our end markets and benefit from greater operating leverage.
In the meantime, we are investing for growth, including the expansion of our European footprint and the build-out of our manufacturing capabilities in Racine, and we are doing so with the financial discipline that has strengthened our balance sheet.
With a strong balance sheet and a robust backlog, our priorities for fiscal 2027 are to execute on our operational initiatives, optimize our global footprint and invest in long-term growth by carefully allocating capital, which includes returning capital to our shareholders.
Operator, please open the call for questions.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]
And your first question comes from the line of Max Michaelis with Lake Street Capital Markets.
Perguntas e respostas
Maxwell Michaelis
Congrats on the quarter. First one for me. So backlog, obviously up 104% on the defense side. Katsa seems like it grew significantly in terms of backlog. But if we look at the U.S. Navy portion of that, it sounds like orders are just starting to come in. Should we expect more of a ramp in the December quarter? Or is that going to be pushed out towards the March quarter? How should we think about the unmanned vessel opportunity ramping as a portion of backlog?
John Batten
Thank you. Max, it's John. I think -- so for the first 30 boats that are the, I would say, the official orders from the U.S. Navy, I think there's -- you'll see some of those also came in, in the second quarter. So you'll see a bump. I'm not sure you'll see the same bump in our third quarter. So this will kind of get us to a level for the first 30 boats.
Don't know when we will -- we have -- there are some orders in, but let's just say, I don't know when that next bump would be. So I think you'll see another one this quarter, and then there'll probably be a pause for a few quarters.
Maxwell Michaelis
Okay. And then for Katsa, I mean, is that just going to be sort of linear through Q2 and Q3? Or is there going to be any sort of bump as there will be with the unmanned vessel opportunity?
John Batten
Yes. I think you'll see another bump in this quarter. And yes, because there's 3 dynamics going on. There's NATO, there's a customer in the Middle East with a program going and then a new program in Asia. So they're kind of all coming online. Obviously, the biggest magnitude are the NATO trucks. And I think you'll see all 3 of those will have some impact on the second quarter in net new orders.
Maxwell Michaelis
Okay. Perfect. And then last one for me, and I'll take the rest of mine offline. You mentioned the data center build-out or data center opportunity with Katsa. I mean, is there -- I know this may be early on, early innings in terms of this opportunity, but is there any way you can help size this opportunity? Or is it just too early to tell, I guess?
John Batten
I think it's -- it's -- we don't sell the finished product. So we're basically selling components to engine OEMs in Europe that are the backup power gensets for these. They're expensive components. Hard for me to put on the whole potential, but it's certainly -- it's significant for Katsa. We're talking -- the sales in the millions, so which is for a $50 million business and growing, it's good business for sure.
Maxwell Michaelis
Yes. I guess because the way I see it, I mean, you're already expanding capacity with Katsa in Finland, and that's primarily due to the defense opportunity. And I mean now that if this data center opportunity explodes, I mean, I was just curious if this 54,000 square feet facility will be enough?
John Batten
So Max, since these are just one-off components, they wouldn't be going through the assembly facility. So they wouldn't be putting the pressure on that facility, which is nice. It's just machining capacity.
Operator
And your next question comes from the line of Simon Wong with Gabelli Funds.
Tze-Kiang Wong
Just continuing with Max's question on data center. How much revenue did you get from data center this quarter?
Jeffrey Knutson
Yes, that's a tough question. I think we're still early on in that ramping. So I wouldn't call it a significant contributor in the quarter necessarily.
John Batten
Yes, Simon, I wouldn't put the sales in this past quarter. It's probably right now still under $1 million, but the orders are growing. So yes, I think it's going to be more of a story going forward.
Tze-Kiang Wong
Got it. Okay. And then oil and gas, how much -- what percentage of revenue was oil and gas this quarter? And how does it compare to last year?
Jeffrey Knutson
Yes. So it was just over 9% in the quarter, which is a little bit higher than last -- last year's Q1 was a little over 8%. So in terms of just raw dollars, we're up about 22% in oil and gas year-over-year.
Tze-Kiang Wong
Okay. Now you mentioned that you -- it sounds like you sold some e-frac units in the quarter. Can you quantify how much e-frac units that you sold?
John Batten
Yes, Simon, I think we have orders. I'm not -- I don't think actually anything for e-frac. We shipped some of the models that go into e-frac, but they were for natural gas applications. So we shipped last fiscal year, and we have orders for this fiscal year. But what went out was actually natural gas and traditional diesel this quarter as far as shipments.
Tze-Kiang Wong
Okay. All right. And then looking at your slide on aerospace and defense, you still see a pipeline opportunity of $30 million to $50 million despite booking some orders during the quarter. So that was unchanged -- look like the pipeline is unchanged sequentially quarter-to-quarter. Are you -- is that a rolling number? Or are you seeing new opportunity?
John Batten
Yes. So it's good, Simon. So we -- from that pipeline that we identified, we definitely brought stuff in that are firm orders now, but the pipeline continues to grow both on -- with other navies for marine transmissions and more importantly, land-based vehicles out of Katsa. Again, new business that's coming up in the Middle East and new business that's coming up in Asia. So the pipeline continues to grow as well as converting what was in the pipeline into firm orders.
Tze-Kiang Wong
Okay. Great. And then last question for me. The free cash flow conversion, I know you're targeting 60% long term. but don't expect to be at that level this year. What level are you -- should I be thinking about for 2027 or fiscal '27?
Jeffrey Knutson
Yes. I think in the, let's say, between the 20% to 40% range. And a lot of that will depend on how successful we are in getting the CapEx in that we want to get in, right? Because there are a lot of variables there, both internal and external lead times, et cetera. But we have a strong initiative to build out some capacity and capabilities. And that's probably one of the bigger variables in terms of what free cash flow turns out to be for the year.
Tze-Kiang Wong
And CapEx for this year, $25 million?
Jeffrey Knutson
Yes. I think we'll still get to around $25 million. That's -- I think Q1 hopefully will be our lowest quarter at around $5.7 million, $5.8 million, I think. So hopefully, we were ramping through the year.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]
And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would like to hand it back to John Batten for closing remarks.
John Batten
Thank you, Priya, and thank you for joining us today and your continued interest in Twin Disc. If you have any further questions, please reach out either to Jeff or myself, and we look forward to speaking with you in February after our fiscal 2027 second quarter call. Priya, I'll now turn the call back to you.
Operator
Thank you, presenters. And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.
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