Texas Pacific Land Corporation (TPL) Q3 2026 Earnings Call: Umsatz und Produktion erreichen Rekordwerte

Wichtigste Erkenntnisse

• Die Texas Pacific Land Corporation verzeichnete das dritte Quartal in Folge mit Rekordwerten bei Gesamtumsatz, Nettogewinn und freiem Cashflow. Der Umsatz im dritten Quartal 2026 erreichte 273 Millionen US-Dollar, ein Plus von 35 % im Jahresvergleich und 11 % gegenüber dem Vorquartal.
• Das bereinigte EBITDA stieg im Jahresvergleich um 37 % auf 238 Millionen US-Dollar, was einer bereinigten EBITDA-Marge von 87 % entspricht. Der freie Cashflow legte um 39 % auf 170 Millionen US-Dollar zu.
• Die Lizenzölförderung erreichte mit 17.100 Barrel pro Tag einen Quartalsrekord, während die Gesamtförderung mit 42.300 Barrel Öläquivalent pro Tag ebenfalls einen neuen Höchststand markierte.
• Die realisierten Erdgaspreise verbesserten sich von 0,40 US-Dollar pro Tausend Kubikfuß im zweiten Quartal auf 2,40 US-Dollar im dritten Quartal, da zusätzliche Pipelinekapazitäten im Permian-Becken regionale Engpässe und Preisdifferenziale verringerten.
• Das Lizenzvolumen für Lagerstättenwasser kletterte gegenüber dem Vorquartal um 14 % und im Jahresvergleich um 27 % auf den Rekordwert von 5,5 Millionen Barrel pro Tag. Das Wasserabsatzvolumen blieb mit 672.000 Barrel pro Tag im Quartalsvergleich nahezu unverändert.
• TPL beendete das Quartal mit liquiden Mitteln in Höhe von 370 Millionen US-Dollar, keinen Schulden und einer ungenutzten Kreditfazilität von 500 Millionen US-Dollar. Nach Quartalsende erwarb das Unternehmen rund 9.700 Oberflächen-Acres und 238 Netto-Lizenz-Acres in den Counties Midland und Glasscock.

Wichtigste Finanzkennzahlen

Geschäftliche und operative Entwicklung

Öl- und Gaslizenzen

Die Lizenzförderung profitierte von der kontinuierlichen Erschließung der TPL-Flächen und vorteilhaften realisierten Rohstoffpreisen. Die Ölförderung erreichte 17.100 Barrel pro Tag, während die Gesamtförderung auf 42.300 Barrel Öläquivalent pro Tag stieg – beides neue Quartalsrekorde.

TPL blieb vollständig ungesichert, wodurch das Unternehmen von den höheren Ölpreisen im Zuge des anhaltenden Nahostkonflikts profitieren konnte. Das Management verwies zudem auf die steigende Zahl aktiver Bohranlagen im Permian-Becken und eine Rekordzahl neuer Genehmigungen für Horizontalbohrungen als positive Indikatoren für künftige Aktivitäten.

Die realisierten Erdgaspreise stiegen von 0,40 US-Dollar im zweiten Quartal auf 2,40 US-Dollar pro Tausend Kubikfuß, obwohl die Preise am Henry Hub weitgehend stagnierten. Das Management führte diese Verbesserung auf neue Pipelinekapazitäten zurück, die Engpässe am Waha Hub verringerten und die Basisdifferenziale einengten.

Zum Quartalsende verfügte TPL über 16,8 Netto-Line-of-Sight-Bohrungen, bestehend aus 5,7 netto genehmigten Bohrungen, 8,6 netto gebohrten, aber unfertigen Bohrungen (DUCs) sowie 2,5 netto fertiggestellten, aber noch nicht fördernden Bohrungen. Der Bestand verringerte sich, da die Betreiber DUCs und fertiggestellte Bohrungen schneller in die Produktion überführten, als neue Bohrungen nachkamen.

Oberflächenpachten, Dienstbarkeiten und Materialien

Die Einnahmen aus Oberflächenpachten, Dienstbarkeiten und Materialien beliefen sich auf insgesamt 36 Millionen US-Dollar, ein Plus von 53 % gegenüber dem Vorquartal. Das Wachstum resultierte aus Infrastrukturprojekten für Erdgas, Flüssigerdgas (NGL), Strom und Versorgungsleitungen auf den Grundstücken von TPL.

Nach Angaben des Managements befindet sich West-Texas weiterhin in einer frühen Phase des Infrastrukturausbaus im Zusammenhang mit Projekten aus den Bereichen Industrie, Fertigung, Energieversorgung und Rechenzentren.

Wassergeschäft

Die Wasserabsatzmengen beliefen sich auf durchschnittlich 672.000 Barrel pro Tag und blieben damit gegenüber dem zweiten Quartal weitgehend unverändert. Dem Management zufolge kam die Komplettierungsaktivität nur langsam in Schwung, während schwache regionale Gaspreise dazu beitrugen, dass sich Aktivitäten vom Delaware-Becken in das Midland-Becken sowie von Texas nach New Mexico verlagerten.

Das Lizenzvolumen für Lagerstättenwasser erreichte einen Rekordwert von 5,5 Millionen Barrel pro Tag. Die geringere Komplettierungsaktivität führte zudem dazu, dass ein größerer Teil des anfallenden Lagerstättenwassers entsorgt statt wiederaufbereitet werden musste, was die über TPL-Grundstücke zur Verpressung transportierten Mengen stützte.

In der Entsalzungsanlage Orla Phase 2b wurde die Inbetriebnahme mit synthetischer Lagerstättenwasser-Sole fortgesetzt. Die angrenzende Fläche zur Renaturierung von Grasland wurde fertiggestellt, und TPL rechnet damit, vorbehaltlich des Fortschritts bei der Inbetriebnahme bis zum Jahresende gefördertes Lagerstättenwasser in die Anlage einspeisen zu können.

Rechenzentren und Energieinfrastruktur

TPL teilte mit, dass kommerzielle Vereinbarungen für mehrere Projekte weiterhin verhandelt werden, während Projektplanung, Design, Due-Diligence-Prüfungen und Standortarbeiten vorangeschritten seien. Das Unternehmen rechnet damit, im Jahr 2027 Investitionen in die Wasserverteilungs- und -aufbereitungsinfrastruktur zu tätigen, um Energie- und Rechenzentrumsprojekte in der Anfangsphase zu versorgen.

Das Management berichtete von anhaltend vielen Ausschreibungen und Anfragen, gab jedoch keine neue größere kommerzielle Vereinbarung bekannt. TPL positioniert sein integriertes Wassergeschäft so, dass es Brauchwasser, Trinkwasser und hochspezifiziertes demineralisiertes Wasser bereitstellen kann.

Ausblick des Managements

Das Management rechnet in den kommenden Quartalen mit einer stärkeren Entwicklung im traditionellen Kerngeschäft von TPL und verwies dabei auf eine höhere Zahl an Bohrgenehmigungen, eine steigende Anzahl aktiver Bohranlagen im Becken und einen solideren Zeitplan für Wasserkomplettierungen im vierten Quartal.

Das Unternehmen geht davon aus, dass die zunehmende Bohraktivität den Abbau von DUCs letztlich durch neue Bohrungen ausgleichen dürfte. Zudem erklärte das Management, es erscheine zunehmend wahrscheinlich, dass die Ölförderung im Permian-Becken im Jahr 2027 einen weiteren Rekord aufstellen werde; dies stelle jedoch lediglich eine aktuelle Einschätzung und keine formelle Produktionsprognose dar.

Im Bereich der Entsalzung plant TPL, bis zum Jahresende von synthetischen Solen auf gefördertes Lagerstättenwasser umzustellen. Der Zeitplan und die Dimensionierung einer kommerziellen Anlage werden von den Gesprächen mit Upstream-Betreibern und Hyperscale-Rechenzentrumskunden abhängen.

Risiken und Aspekte im Fokus

• Die texanischen Regulierungsbehörden wurden angewiesen, Netzanschlüsse für Großverbraucher zu überprüfen und Genehmigungen für Rechenzentren bis zum Abschluss dieser Überprüfung sowie unter Berücksichtigung zusätzlicher Umweltaspekte vorübergehend auszusetzen. Das Management rechnet kurzfristig mit möglichen Genehmigungsverzögerungen.
• Die konkrete politische Ausrichtung des künftigen texanischen Gouverneurs war noch unklar. Dennoch geht TPL davon aus, dass der Bundesstaat bei der Entwicklung von Rechenzentren insgesamt einen maßvollen Ansatz verfolgen wird, anstatt ein pauschales Verbot zu verhängen.
• Emissionsgenehmigungen für die Luftreinhaltung, Wasserverfügbarkeit, die Einbindung lokaler Gemeinschaften, Verkehr, Lärm sowie die Bezahlbarkeit von Strom bleiben wichtige Faktoren für Rechenzentrumsprojekte in West-Texas.
• Der kurzfristige Bohrungsbestand ist gesunken, da Betreiber DUCs und fertiggestellte Bohrungen abgebaut haben. Ein Wiederaufbau hängt von einem anhaltenden Zuwachs an Bohranlagen und Fracking-Kapazitäten ab.
• Aktivitätsverlagerungen zwischen dem Delaware- und dem Midland-Becken sowie zwischen Texas und New Mexico können den Wasserabsatzmix und den Infrastrukturbedarf von TPL beeinflussen.

Wichtigste Punkte aus der Analysten-Fragerunde

Die Analysten konzentrierten sich stark auf die Auswirkungen des politischen Wechsels in Texas auf die Entwicklung von Rechenzentren. Das Management räumte ein, dass Genehmigungsverfahren schwieriger werden und den kurzfristigen Zeitplan von Projekten beeinträchtigen könnten. Zugleich argumentierte es jedoch, dass West-Texas aufgrund seiner ländlichen Lagen, der Erdgasressourcen, der Verfügbarkeit von Brauchwasser und der Akzeptanz industrieller Erschließung in der Bevölkerung weiterhin hervorragend für großflächige Rechenzentren geeignet sei.

Mit Blick auf das Kerngeschäft verwies das Management auf zunehmende Genehmigungen, steigende Bohranlagenzahlen und einen robusteren Komplettierungszeitplan für das vierte Quartal als Belege für eine anziehende Aktivität. Zudem baut TPL seine Wasserkapazitäten in New Mexico und im Midland-Becken aus und entwickelt Entsorgungs- sowie Entsalzungsoptionen außerhalb des Beckens, um für einen künftigen Anstieg der Wassermengen im Delaware-Becken gerüstet zu sein.

Hinsichtlich der Entsalzung erklärte das Management, die nächste Phase hänge von der kommerziellen Nachfrage sowohl von Upstream-Betreibern als auch von Hyperscale-Kunden ab. Zu den geprüften potenziellen Anwendungen für Rechenzentren gehören die Nutzung von Lagerstättenwasser, Abwärmenutzung, gefrierbasierte Verfahren und Direct-to-Chip-Kühlung.

Vollständiges Transkript der Telefonkonferenz

Vollständiges Transkript der Telefonkonferenz

Ausführungen des Managements

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Texas Pacific Land Corporation Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Shawn Amini, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations at Texas Pacific Land Corporation. Thank you. Shawn, you may begin.

Shawn Amini

Thank you for joining us today for Texas Pacific Land Corporation's Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. Yesterday afternoon, the company released its financial results and filed its Form 10-Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is available on the Investors section of the company's website at www.texaspacific.com.

As a reminder, remarks made on today's conference call may include forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. We do not undertake any obligation to update our forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events.

For a more detailed discussion of the factors that may affect the company's results, please refer to our earnings release for this quarter and our recent SEC filings. During this call, we will also be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. More information about and reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures are contained in our earnings release for this quarter and our SEC filings.

Please also note, we may at times refer to our company by its stock ticker, TPL. This morning's conference call is hosted by TPL's President and Chief Executive Officer, Ty Glover; TPL's Chief Financial Officer, Chris Steddum; and Executive Vice President of Texas Pacific Water Resources, Robert Crain. Management will make some prepared comments, after which we will open the call for questions. Now, I will turn the call over to Ty.

Tyler Glover

Good morning, everyone. For the third consecutive quarter, TPL generated record quarterly total revenue, net income and free cash flow. These results were supported by continued strong development activity across our royalty acreage, supportive commodity price realizations, increased pipeline easement revenue and record produced water royalty volumes.

Starting with oil and gas royalties, oil production of 17,100 barrels per day and total daily production of 42,300 barrels of oil equivalent per day both represent quarterly records. Record production is notable given that oil entered this year below $60 per barrel and upstream operators collectively were dropping rigs.

Oil and gas royalty revenues have benefited from sustained high oil prices as conflict in the Middle East has persisted. We have been and continue to remain today completely unhedged, allowing us to realize the full upside to elevated oil prices. Over the last few months, we have seen an acceleration in Permian activity levels, which we believe will support strong growth for TPL in the basin overall.

Operators were initially cautious for the first part of 2026, unsure of how long the Middle East conflict and higher oil prices would last. In the third quarter of this year, rig counts inflected higher and new permits for horizontal wells set a basin record.

As oil prices have remained strong, we expect the outlook for near-term basin growth to strengthen. New natural gas pipeline capacity has helped to debottleneck the in-basin gas glut, which has alleviated negative prices at the Waha Hub and compressed local basis differentials to U.S. Gulf Coast markets.

TPL's natural gas price realizations improved from $0.40 per thousand cubic feet in the second quarter to $2.40 in the third quarter despite relatively flat benchmark Henry Hub pricing over the same period. The natural gas pipeline egress in the Permian expected to expand substantially in coming years. We're optimistic that prolonged periods of negative prices and wide basis for in-basin gas are behind us.

Our surface leases, easements and materials business, which we refer to as SLEM, had a great quarter with quarterly revenues of $36 million, a 53% sequential increase. Performance was driven by natural gas, natural gas liquids, electric and utility infrastructure growth across our land position.

We're still in the early stages of growth in West Texas for new infrastructure across industrial, manufacturing, power and data centers, and our massive land footprint is well positioned to benefit. We are also investing in additional surface-related opportunities to capture this industrial boom.

Turning to our water business. Water sales volumes were 672,000 barrels per day for the quarter, roughly flat sequentially. Completion activity in the Permian has been slow to ramp even as oil prices have stayed high. Due to weak in-basin gas pricing for most of this year, we've seen an intra-basin shift from the Delaware to Midland as well as an intra-Delaware shift from Texas to New Mexico. In response, we've been increasing our efforts to expand our reach into New Mexico and Midland Basin more broadly.

Our ability to procure produced water for recycling is a major factor that allows us to maintain a presence in New Mexico, especially given operator preferences to reduce disposal needs. Although our acreage is less concentrated in the Midland Basin, we leverage third-party disposal systems on and off our acreage to facilitate completion water sales.

Beyond some of these regional intra-basin dynamics, the near-term water sales outlook for the Permian overall is constructive. As noted, the Permian's record new permits and rising rig counts are leading indicators of higher completion activity and corresponding higher water demand. Produced water royalties had an excellent quarter with record revenue and volumes.

Volumes reached a record 5.5 million barrels per day, which represents growth of 14% sequentially and 27% year-over-year. The near-term and long-term fundamental backdrop for Permian produced water remains strong as activity levels and rising water-to-oil ratios support volume growth.

Recent performance has also been supported by an additional factor. As completion activity declined in the first half of this year, produced water that would otherwise have been recycled for completions instead requires injection into pore space. Thus, more volumes have to move across TPL land for injection into pore space directly on or adjacent to us. This dynamic creates a natural hedge for our water business. Periods of tepid demand for completion water can simultaneously provide tailwinds for our produced water royalties.

Turning to produced water desalination and beneficial reuse. We have made encouraging progress at our Orla Phase 2b facility during the quarter. Our adjacent grassland rehabilitation plot is complete and ready to receive water under our approved land application permit.

With respect to our Texas Pollutant Discharge Elimination System, or TPDES, permit, we hope to receive the final draft of the discharge permit from the TCEQ shortly. In August, we held an on-site grand opening ceremony, which hosted more than 150 guests from across the industry, local and state government, research community, major energy companies and hyperscalers.

Since then, our commissioning process continues, we are inletting increasing concentrations of synthetically produced water brine as we test and calibrate equipment, finalize various process integrations and develop standard operating procedures. Additionally, we are establishing the data collection framework that will allow longer-term efficiency tracking and optimization of the desalination process.

By the end of the year, we hope to flow field-produced water into the Orla facility. We also continue to work on designs related to data center and power generation specific research and development initiatives to further the co-location of produced water desalination facilities.

Turning to our data center efforts. We're working diligently on a number of projects throughout our land position, although commercial agreements are still being negotiated, a significant amount of diligence, project planning and design and site work has progressed.

Recent regulatory moratoriums and new incoming governor at the state level are a couple more things the industry will have to navigate. The outgoing Texas governor directed regulators and ERCOT to conduct a verification and audit for grid-connected projects in ERCOT's large load interconnection process.

Subsequently, the governor also directed the TCEQ to pause issuance of permits to data centers pending the ERCOT review and incorporating other incremental environmental items. And although it's still early, we believe the new incoming governor will take a similarly measured approach to data center development in the state.

With much of West Texas data center projects anticipated to be behind the meter and in relatively rural areas, it does reduce some complexity relative to grid-connected projects that have to undergo interconnection studies. Air permits, water and community engagement remain pertinent for projects and significant focus points for many developers.

It's worth noting that these elements were already major points of emphasis from developers preceding the governor directive and recent election. These actions to date add to the diligence checklist, but these are not viewed as a blanket ban.

Furthermore, and this is true regardless of who's in power, virtually every hyperscaler and AI lab customer we're working with has been extremely focused on minimizing environmental and affordability externalities while maximizing community benefit. This dynamic is largely why these deals take so long to finalize.

Economic terms are obviously important, but customers want to ensure these community issues are proactively resolved and ultimately a net benefit to the local population. In total, we have not sensed waning motivation from landowners, developers and customers to get hyperscale projects built.

As it stands today, we expect to spend capital next year on water-related distribution and treatment infrastructure to serve the initial in-service of power and data center projects. Developers of gigawatt scale infrastructure have spent a lot of time optimizing designs for the unique attributes of West Texas and the scope of these projects continues to evolve. We're collaborating closely with the developers on land, water and easements. For water, quality specification and quantity span across a wide gamut.

TPL's water business is vertically integrated and capable of providing high volumes of non-potable, potable and high-spec demineralized water. Inbounds for quotes and RFPs remain very high, and we've established commercial teams dedicated solely to data center and power customers. We don't have a new major announcement today, but the backlog is robust, and we're well positioned to bring multiple hyperscale projects to West Texas in the near term. And with that, I'll hand the call over to Chris.

Chris Steddum

Thanks, Ty. Consolidated revenues during the third quarter of 2026 were approximately $273 million. This was an all-time high, up 11% sequentially and 35% year-over-year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $238 million, which was up 11% sequentially and 37% year-over-year.

Our adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 87%. Free cash flow was $170 million, which was up 10% sequentially and 39% year-over-year. Net income was $167 million, or $2.42 per diluted share, up 38% year-over-year.

Moving to our well inventory. As of quarter end, TPL had 5.7 net permitted wells, 8.6 net drilled but uncompleted wells, commonly referred to as DUCs and 2.5 net completed, but not producing wells, which we refer to as CUPs. This amounts to 16.8 net line-of-sight wells. Well inventory has declined from recent levels. However, new wells placed on production still supported continued production growth for TPL.

As Ty noted, operators spent the first part of the year drawing down DUCs and CUPs to support strong levels of new wells placed on production. High oil prices incentivize this behavior. With the rigs largely declining, well inventory was converted to production faster than new spuds could replenish inventory. The same dynamic has played out basin-wide. The Permian is setting new highs for oil production, while DUC inventory is down from a year ago.

Over the long term, however, wells turned to sales are limited by how many wells operators spud and complete and DUC inventory is finite. We just started seeing rig additions in the third quarter, which should continue to rise through year-end. As rig counts rise and new spuds increase, the DUC drawdown will level off as new wells drilled and new wells placed on production come into balance.

Historically, sustained high oil prices lead operators to build DUCs and record new horizontal well permits in the third quarter suggest the Permian is currently on the same path. All that said, we're not concerned by the drop in near-term well inventory. DUCs and CUPs can naturally be replenished as rigs and frac spreads are added.

Despite entering 2026 with 5-handle oil, the Permian will once again set a new oil production record this year. And given the activity ramp we're now seeing, it's looking increasingly certain that 2027 will also be another record production year. From our vantage point, the Permian oil machine and by extension, TPL is not even close to slowing down.

Turning to our balance sheet. At quarter end, TPL had $370 million of cash and cash equivalents and no debt with our $500 million credit facility remaining undrawn. After quarter end, we acquired approximately 9,700 surface acres and 238 net royalty acres in Midland and Glasscock counties.

This acreage sits in a high-quality subregion within the Midland Basin and is checkerboarded with 4 legacy TPL sections. The acquired acreage currently generates cash flow from source and produced water, SLEM and mineral interest. The acquisition augments our Midland Basin footprint where we can apply our existing commercial capabilities and expand capture on and off ranch.

Post acquisition, we continue to maintain a pristine balance sheet. We have tremendous flexibility to create value for shareholders as this is an opportunity-rich environment across organic investment, bolt-ons and M&A. We can also opportunistically lean into buybacks given the recent volatility induced by midterms and perceived impacts on the energy and data center industries in Texas.

Meanwhile, current high oil prices augments our free cash flow profile, enabling us to efficiently recycle cash towards attractive growth opportunities or expanded return of capital to shareholders. We remain very focused and disciplined as we look to maximize long-term intrinsic value per share. And with that, operator, we will now take questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Derrick Whitfield with Texas Capital.

Fragen und Antworten

Derrick Whitfield

Congrats on a very strong quarter. I'd like to start with the market and political landscape given the impact it had on your stock yesterday. The Blue Wave and change in Texas Governor leadership is perceived to be a headwind to your business. As I think about it, any political or regulatory rebuke against data centers actually makes the case for what you're pursuing with Bolt even stronger, not weaker. A, is that a fair assessment? And b, if so, what's your greatest concern in the new political landscape?

Tyler Glover

Thanks, Derrick. I think that's a fair assessment. Did things get slightly more difficult in Texas? Yes, but they certainly haven't gotten any easier in any other states. So I think the political change, one, just makes us more bullish on West Texas for data centers and compute.

When you think about the concerns of the governor, those are the same concerns that we've been hearing from local communities that we've been talking to out there for the last 1.5 years. And so we've already started working to design these facilities to address those concerns like cheaper power, concerns around using municipal water, traffic and noise.

So I think the type of site that we are trying to build will become the blueprint for how you have to build these things in Texas. And I think the lack of population in West Texas, cheap gas, abundant water, brackish non-potable water, all makes West Texas just the place for large-scale compute to be built.

So again, we're just more bullish. Does it affect the timing of some of these projects in the near term? Yes. But I think it's a net positive for the long-term value proposition for TPL and West Texas more broadly. So look, I think will we have to figure out how to navigate this in the near term? Certainly. But again, I think it's a net positive for TPL and we're just more and more bullish as we go on the value proposition for power generation and compute in West Texas.

Derrick Whitfield

Terrific. And regarding the base business, just on the intra-basin and across basin moves you noted, could you -- I guess, how would you characterize from what you've seen today, how the production and water trajectories look over the next couple of quarters? I'm not asking for like a 2027 guide, but just with how you see the pieces that have moved to date, just how do you think that looks for the business, that base business?

Tyler Glover

Well, we've definitely seen an uptick in permitting. The overall basin rig count is climbing. The percentage of rigs on our acreage versus the basin has continued to climb. Our completion schedule on the water side is much more robust for the fourth quarter than it was third quarter. So I think the next couple of quarters are going to be much stronger kind of across our legacy business for TPL.

Robert Crain

I mean, when we look at that shift, we've seen this shift to Midland Basin coming for a while. I think it's got different characteristics and reasons why it occurred. I think water is probably one of them. And we start to see some -- over the last, let's say, years, some maybe spatial challenges in water handling. I think it just goes even further to say what we've started creating for solutions on the water side, out-of-basin disposal, desal. When we see this shift back to the Delaware, there's going to be higher water volumes to handle. We're putting the framework in place for how to handle that through additional out-of-basin capacity. What we know is going to be the eventual pivot to beneficial reuse and desal and be ready for this activity level when it returns to the Delaware.

Operator

Our next question is from Tim Rezvan with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

Timothy Rezvan

Ty, I appreciated the prepared comments that it's been sort of a shoot first, ask questions later kind of response yesterday and today on the Blue Wave. I was curious, I think not a lot of people assumed Abbott would lose. Did you or anybody else in the organization have discussions with the incoming governor before to understand their positions and where I'm going. Is there any specificity that you can see on what might change either on permitting or developing or time lines? Just any insight would be helpful, if you have any.

Tyler Glover

I don't think we have any real clear insight on where things are going. I mean, I'll be honest, we were in the camp of thinking that Abbott would get reelected. But from what the new governor has put out so far, I mean, we don't expect the view on data centers in Texas and how those are developed to change too significantly.

Robert Crain

I'll say we're heavily engaged in Austin. Again, not saying that anybody saw this coming. But when we're engaged on the regulatory side and on the legislative side as well, I'll reiterate, I think, what Ty said in his first comments of our blueprint for what kind of functional data center and power gen build-out should be.

I completely agree that it strengthens the West Texas thesis. If we look at short-term what permitting is going to look like. Obviously, there's still the moratorium in place that Abbott put on. We're going to continue to work with the regulators to say, okay, what does that proper siting do? I think, again, it strengthens our thesis, probably some short-term headwinds just from a permitting standpoint.

But long term, I think it continues to, if you say, force to compute to the Permian because of the attributes. I think when you look at Permian, too, you have to look at now -- you're going to not just kind of those quantitative inputs of the commodities, the land and the water and the gas.

But I think you also have to look at just the community's acceptance and kind of qualitative acceptance that West Texas sees toward data centers. And if you look at the Permian, it's a more transient community. It's always been that work community. I think the community as a whole are starting to see compute as a way not only get another industry in, but continue to prop up what is West Texas in the upstream side of the world.

Timothy Rezvan

Okay. I appreciate the comments. I know we're about 36 hours into digesting all this, so thank you. As my follow-up, your slide deck had some cursory comments about next steps on the desalination progress. And I know time lines are hazy right now given everything that's happened this week.

But can you just talk about kind of what you would need to see to kind of -- you talked about 2027 and beyond procurement of equipment for a commercial scale facility. Maybe just talk about the next steps on desalination and given the progress to date.

Robert Crain

Sure. Right now, as Ty mentioned in the prepared remarks, commissioning continues. We -- the reason we do synthetic brines to start out, we're being very deliberate in our approach of the commissioning of the system. It's a very complex system with a lot of data sensors and inputs. And when we -- why we run synthetic brines is mainly from a characteristics and waste standpoint. So short term, by the end of the year, we pivot from synthetic brines over to actual produced water and let the system start to run.

When we think about next level initiatives and commercial interest, somewhat twofold. One, when we look at traditional just upstream offtake, a lot of interest from the operators, what does an offtake agreement look like. But then the second piece has been the increasing interest from the hyperscaler community. And for that, it's kind of twofold. We look at the research initiatives that we've talked about before, waste heat capture, possible implementation of our freeze and direct chip cooling. But kind of high level, just what does the use of produced water look like in a data center. Can you pivot back to an evaporative model?

So over the next couple of months, it's going to depend completely on commercial conversations on both those fronts from the upstream side and the hyperscaler side, what the scale-up look like and what does the ultimate use of that water and compute look like.

Timothy Rezvan

I appreciate that, Robert. I know it's still early days.

Operator

This now concludes our question-and-answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. Please disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.