Enviri (NVRI) 2026年第三季度业绩电话会:铁路业务改善推动上调业绩指引
Enviri发布2026年第三季度财报,总营收为3.25亿美元,调整后EBITDA同比增长21%至4700万美元,调整后每股亏损0.16亿美元。Harsco Environmental业务营收增长5%至2.73亿美元,EBITDA利润率升至18%以上;铁路业务受需求疲软及合同退出影响营收降至5200万美元,但EBITDA亏损改善至100万美元。公司上调全年两项业务的EBITDA指引,全面完成DB合同退出并积极推进降本增效,未来数年有望释放显著效益。
核心要点
- 第三季度营收为3.25亿美元,调整后EBITDA同比增长21%至4700万美元。调整后每股亏损为0.16美元。
- Harsco Environmental业务营收增长5%至2.73亿美元。调整后EBITDA增长13%至5000万美元,带动该业务板块的EBITDA利润率升至18%以上。
- 受新设备需求疲软以及退出DB和Network Rail合同影响,铁路业务营收降至5200万美元。调整后EBITDA由上年同期的亏损400万美元改善至100万美元。
- Enviri上调了旗下两项业务的全年调整后EBITDA指引。Harsco Environmental目前预计将达到1.80亿至1.84亿美元,而铁路业务的预期亏损收窄至700万至1000万美元。
- 在10月份支付约7300万美元后,DB合同的退出已全部完成。Enviri还预计未来几个季度将从GBM获得最高达3400万美元的额外款项。
- 管理层预计,其改进计划将在2026年已实现效益的基础上带来约4000万美元的年化增量效益,该效益大致在Harsco Environmental与铁路业务之间平均分摊,并在2027年和2028年之间平均体现。
关键财务数据
| 指标 | 2026年第三季度 | 变动情况或背景 |
|---|---|---|
| 总营收 | 3.25亿美元 | 所有历史期间均剔除Clean Earth业务 |
| 调整后EBITDA | 4700万美元 | 同比增长21% |
| 调整后每股亏损 | 0.16美元 | 非GAAP指标 |
| Harsco Environmental营收 | 2.73亿美元 | 同比增长5% |
| Harsco Environmental调整后EBITDA | 5000万美元 | 同比增长13% |
| Harsco Environmental EBITDA利润率 | 18%以上 | 同比改善 |
| 铁路业务营收 | 5200万美元 | 同比下降 |
| 铁路业务调整后EBITDA | 100万美元 | 较上年同期的400万美元亏损有所改善 |
| 净杠杆率 | 1.9倍 | 基于公司信贷协议计算 |
| 季末现金 | 2.80亿美元 | 包含5000万美元不再受限的资金 |
第三季度非常规项目包括600万美元的重组成本、与GBM首笔资产转让款相关的800万美元铁路业务收益,以及与DB退出协议相关的1200万美元有利调整。
业务与运营表现
Harsco Environmental
服务和产品业务量增加、定价提升以及现有运营点运营改善推动了业务增长。但中东和土耳其市场的疲软态势、激励性薪酬增加以及外汇折算逆风部分抵消了上述增益。
客户钢铁产量同比温和增长。管理层表示,随着2026年7月起生效的新关税配额方案落地,数家欧洲钢厂计划重启运营。Enviri为其中部分厂区提供服务,预计相关效益大部分将在2027年显现,第四季度可能带来有限贡献。
公司还正在调整车队维护和管理模式,以提高设备可用性与生产率,并简化了该业务板块的组织架构及日常开支结构。
铁路业务
设备出货量下滑反映出北美需求疲软(管理层称其处于数十年来的低位),以及退出DB和Network Rail合同的影响。盈利能力的改善则得益于更有利的销售结构、更强劲的后市场业务、运营成本下降、制造与人员调整,以及后进先出法(LIFO)销售成本调整。
Enviri建立了新的后市场业务领导团队、独立的组织架构与损益核算机制,并采用了基于生命周期的商业策略。管理层表示,该举措仍处于早期阶段,结构性效益预计将在截至2028年的期间内逐步释放。
DB按单定制工程合同已全面终结。Enviri于10月份支付了约7300万美元用于退还客户预付款并清偿相关义务。DB将释放约1300万美元的履约保函,公司无需再向DB支付任何款项。
GBM接管了相关车辆并支付了三笔资产款项中的第一笔。总收益可能达到4200万美元,其中包括未来几个季度预计仍将获得的最高3400万美元。
SBB方面,首批36节车厢已完成交付并验收。剩余11辆车中,有4辆已完成制造并正在进行客户调试,7辆处于生产中或即将投产。管理层预计项目将在未来约一年内全部完工,并在2027年和2028年主要带来可观的净现金流入。
管理层业绩指引
| 指引项目 | 最新预期 | 此前预期或对比基准 |
|---|---|---|
| Harsco Environmental全年调整后EBITDA | 1.80亿至1.84亿美元 | 1.70亿至1.80亿美元 |
| 铁路业务全年调整后EBITDA | 亏损700万至1000万美元 | 亏损1900万至2600万美元 |
| 第四季度总部企业成本 | 500万至600万美元 | 扣除股权激励费用 |
管理层将上调预期归因于增效举措、Harsco Environmental服务业务略有增强,以及铁路后市场业务量增加。
以第四季度指引的中位值计算,Harsco Environmental的业绩表现预计将与2025年第四季度基本持平。内生增长预计将被上年同期一笔不再出现的营运税收抵免以及中东地区面临的压力所抵消。铁路业务预计将受益于后市场业务量增长和成本下降。
剔除10月份向DB支付的约7300万美元款项后,基础自由现金流预计将较第三季度改善。此外,Enviri还收到了威立雅(Veolia)就出售Clean Earth交易所支付的500万美元最终营运资金调整款。
风险与关注事项
- 北美新设备需求依然疲软,对铁路业务营收构成制约。
- 中东冲突持续令Harsco Environmental在该地区及土耳其的业务量承压。
- Network Rail仍在评估Enviri提出的升级其现有石碴吹填机车队的替代方案。管理层表示,双方讨论仍具建设性,但这一过程可能需要时间。
- Enviri已不再根据Network Rail设备合同开展工作或投入增量现金。公司表示已为潜在结果预留了充足的现金准备。
- 在Harsco Environmental的100多个运营点推行维护和运营变革尚需时日,导致改进计划效益显现的时间存在不确定性。
分析师问答要点
管理层将铁路后市场业务的扩张定性为早期阶段的机遇。初步成效主要来自于速赢举措,而组织架构和商业层面的变革预计将在未来数个季度乃至整个2028年持续贡献效益。
针对Network Rail,管理层强调Enviri仍在继续提供其他合同服务,并保持着良好的客户关系。在双方协商解决方案期间,设备合同未发生追加支出。
截至季末,公司已就合同相关义务计提了约1.85亿美元的准备金,其中包括随后支付的7300万美元DB款项。此外,在报告的现金之外,Enviri还持有2500万美元与履约保函相关的现金抵押品。
管理层认同将2027年铁路业务现金流定性为“正值或至少非负”是合理的表述,但并未正式发布2027年指引。更多细节预计将在公司2月份发布2027年展望时公布。
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管理层陈述
Operator
Good morning. My name is Roy, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Enviri Corporation Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Release Conference Call. Also, this telephone conference presentation and accompanying webcast made on behalf of Enviri Corporation are subject to copyright by Enviri Corporation and all rights are reserved. No recordings or redistributions of this telephone conference by any other party are permitted without express written consent of Enviri Corporation. Your participation indicates agreement.
I would now like to introduce Dave Martin of Enviri Corporation. Mr. Martin, you may now begin your call.
David Martin
Welcome to everyone joining us this morning. With me today is Russell Hochman, our President and CEO; and Peter Minan, our Executive Vice President and CFO. This morning, we will discuss our results for the third quarter as well as our outlook. After our prepared remarks, we will take your questions. Our quarterly earnings release and slide presentation for this call are available on our website.
During today's call, we will make statements that are considered forward-looking within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are based on our current knowledge and expectations and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, see the Risk Factors section in our Form 10 information statement. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statement.
Lastly, on this call, we will refer to adjusted financial results that are considered non-GAAP for SEC reporting purposes. A reconciliation to GAAP results is included in our earnings release as well as the slide presentation. Now I'll turn the call over to Russell to begin his remarks.
Russell Hochman
Thank you, Dave. It's great to be with you all today to discuss our quarterly results and to update you on the progress we've made on our key priorities. Let's begin with the quarter. Harsco Environmental and Rail each delivered very strong results, which exceeded our expectations in the third quarter, and our business leadership and teams continue to respond well with a sense of determination and focus. Our adjusted earnings grew by more than 20% for the second consecutive quarter with both businesses reporting their highest quarterly earnings in roughly 2 years.
We achieved these results despite some persistent headwinds in the markets we serve, which I believe validates the merits of our near-term strategy for Enviri and the strong leadership and disciplined execution across our businesses. HE's growth in the quarter was driven by improvements and efficiency initiatives as well as a modest lift in volumes. Rail meanwhile, benefited from a lower overall cost structure resulting from our restructuring actions in recent quarters as well as an improved business mix, including within aftermarket parts.
Notwithstanding the continuing softness in the market for new equipment in North America, aftermarket overperformed our expectations, remaining a greater area of strategic focus and an important short-term growth opportunity for Rail. We expect the momentum within our businesses to continue, and we've raised our outlook for the year as a result. Pete will go through the quarter and our outlook in more detail. Next, let me turn to our priorities. We continue delivering on our commitments to drive actions to strengthen Enviri by derisking our ETO exposure in rail and executing on improvement program to enhance business efficiency and operational performance across the company.
We expect these efforts to drive meaningful earnings, margin and cash flow growth while improving our financial and strategic flexibility over the next year. Turning to rail ETO contracts. As we announced yesterday, we have executed an agreement with DB that releases the Harsco Rail from its obligations under the engineered-to-order contract for utility track vehicles. In connection with the release, as planned, we paid approximately $73 million in October to repay customer advances and satisfy our obligations associated with exiting the contract. This amount had been fully accrued for with the related cash set aside from the sale of Clean Earth.
As part of this agreement, DB will release performance bonds totaling approximately $13 million. No payments to DB are required under the agreement. We are pleased that DB will receive the next generation of machines from GBM to support their mission and that Harsco Rail has been able to maintain a positive relationship with this customer throughout this process. This formally completes our exit from the DB contract and removes a significant source of operational and financial uncertainty. This is truly a great outcome for Enviri and its shareholders.
Separately, under our agreement to transfer the assets related to the exited DB contract, GBM, the subcontractor on the project, has now assumed all responsibility for the related vehicles and has paid us the first of 3 installments for the project assets, which are expected to total up to $42 million. For Network Rail, our constructive discussions are ongoing, and both sides are committed to finding a mutually beneficial resolution to this situation. Network Rail continues to evaluate our proposed alternative solution to upgrade their existing fleet of stone blowers, and we expect that this process will take some time.
Importantly, we are no longer executing on this equipment contract, and therefore, we are not deploying any incremental cash related to this contract. Also, let me reaffirm that we have set aside cash from the sale of Clean Earth to fully address all potential outcomes related to exiting this contract with Network Rail. We are also making good progress on our remaining large ETO contract with SBB. The first 36 vehicles, the wagons have been fully delivered and now accepted. Of the remaining 11 vehicles, 4 have been fully manufactured and are undergoing commissioning by the customer. The other 7 vehicles are now being produced or will be shortly.
We remain on track to complete this project over the next year or so and importantly, collect the cash related to these final vehicles. While there is still work to do on these 2 contracts, we successfully eliminated a good deal of risk and distraction and the team is keenly focused on its core maintenance of way of business, which is more predictable and cash generative and lower risk. Lastly, let me comment on our self-help improvement program. These broad-based efforts have been underway for a couple of quarters, and we recently completed our final assessment of the various work streams.
We conducted a very disciplined bottoms-up process, and I'm encouraged by the ownership and leadership across the company. Based on this assessment, we are committing to deliver approximately $40 million of annualized value for our shareholders from these actions. Pete will provide some additional detail in his remarks. In Harsco Environmental, we are changing certain long-standing practices on how we maintain and manage our equipment fleet, which improve asset availability and productivity while performing at the high service levels our customers expect. We have also simplified HE's organization and overhead structure.
These actions are expected to strengthen our competitiveness while supporting our profitability and continued leadership in the industry. In Rail, we optimized our manufacturing footprint and working capital to improve operational efficiency to support product quality and on-time product delivery. We also rightsized administrative and engineering support spending, and we're beginning to see the benefits of these actions. We are also doubling down on aftermarket with a more aggressive commercial strategy that we expect to sustainably boost the size of this business within rail.
It's an exciting time for Enviri. Both HE and Rail are moving in the right direction, and our Q3 performance again highlights the importance of disciplined execution and our focus on delivering on our commitments. Our strategic priorities are very clear, and I'm encouraged by the progress we've made over the past 2 quarters. Enviri is well positioned with a strong balance sheet and significant financial and strategic flexibility, which should strengthen further as a result of our improvement initiatives. Any uplift in our end markets will further boost our growth over time. In short, we are very optimistic about what Enviri can accomplish over the next year or 2. Now let me turn it over to Pete to discuss the quarter in more detail.
Peter Minan
Thanks, Russell, and good morning, everyone. Both of our businesses executed and performed very well in the third quarter despite, as [ Russell ] mentioned, some market headwinds. Each business delivered year-over-year earnings growth that exceeded our expectations. Relative to our prior guidance, we benefited from better services activity at HE and higher aftermarket volumes in Rail. Both businesses also benefited from our focus on cost controls and our recently implemented efficiency actions. As I've mentioned before, we are laser-focused on delivering against our near-term commitments.
And given our momentum, we're pleased to raise our earnings guidance for the year. Looking a little further out, HE and Rail continue to push forward our key initiatives aimed at further boosting our earnings, margins and cash flow profile, which [ Russell ] discussed. I'll come back to our guidance and improvement program shortly, but let me first walk through our third quarter details starting on Slide 4. As with the last quarter, note that our financial data now excludes Clean Earth for all historical periods. The central costs previously allocated to Clean Earth are now embedded within our Corporate segment as we continue to support Clean Earth under a transition services agreement.
In the third quarter, total revenue was $325 million, and adjusted EBITDA was $47 million, which is 21% higher than Q3 of last year. And again, we exceeded our expectations for the quarter. HE and Rail contributed equally to our earnings growth this quarter. Our Q3 adjusted loss per share was $0.16, and our unusual items in the quarter included $6 million of restructuring costs, consisting of $3 million of severance-related costs at HE and $3 million of third-party consulting fees linked to our internal improvement program. I should note that there will be some further restructuring costs recorded in Q4.
Our unusual items also included the $8 million rail gain related to the first payment we received from GBM under our asset transfer agreement, which we disclosed last quarter. And as noted in our earnings release, we expect to receive up to $34 million in additional payments from GBM in the coming quarters. Also, as we mentioned in yesterday's press release, we recorded a $12 million favorable adjustment in connection with the execution of the DB exit agreement. The gain relates to the release of performance bonds supporting the project, which we have previously accrued as a potential liability.
Adjusted free cash flow for the quarter was negative as anticipated and included the $8 million GBM payment I just mentioned. We expect our underlying cash flow performance to improve starting in Q4 and to accelerate as we move forward. So please turn to Slide 5 and our Harsco Environmental segment. Segment revenues totaled $273 million, an increase of 5% compared with the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA totaled $50 million, which is 13% higher than the comparable quarter in 2025, and HE's EBITDA margin increased to over 18%.
The year-over-year earnings improvement reflects higher services and product volumes, better pricing as well as operational improvements at certain existing sites. Now these benefits were partially offset by some market conditions, higher incentive pay and foreign exchange translation headwinds. Customer steel output increased modestly year-over-year, and production levels were considerably weaker in the Middle East and in Turkey due to the ongoing conflict in that region, but these impacts were offset elsewhere. In Europe, a number of steel mills have announced plans to restart certain operations following the implementation of the new tariff quota scheme that was effective at the beginning of July of this year.
We provide services at some of these sites and expect to benefit from these plans in the coming quarters. Next, please turn to Slide 6 and our Rail business. Rail revenues totaled $52 million, which is lower than the prior year quarter. The change reflects lower equipment volumes amid soft market demand, which remains at a multi-decade low as well as the impact of exiting the DB and Network Rail contracts. Rail's adjusted EBITDA was $1 million in the quarter compared to an EBITDA loss of $4 million in the prior year.
This improvement reflects a more favorable mix of equipment and aftermarket sales, lower operating costs following recent manufacturing footprint and workforce changes, some of which related to the DB and Network Rail contract exits as well as LIFO cost of sales adjustments. Let me next turn to our outlook on Slide 7. We have raised our full year EBITDA guidance for both HE and Rail. For HE, our EBITDA range is now $180 million to $184 million compared with $170 million to $180 million previously. And for Rail, we now expect a loss range of $7 million to $10 million compared with the previous range of $19 million to $26 million -- these changes reflect benefits from our recent business improvement and efficiency actions as well as a modest increase in service levels at HE.
And for Rail, we are now also anticipating an increase in our aftermarket volumes, which is the direct result of our focused pursuit of this market opportunity in recent quarters. Our EBITDA guidance for the fourth quarter can be found on Slide 8. At the midpoint of its guidance range, Harsco Environmental performance is expected to be similar to the fourth quarter of 2025 as underlying business growth is offset by an operating tax credit in 2025 not repeating this year as well as certain market pressures in the Middle East. For Rail, volume growth in aftermarket and cost improvements are projected to benefit results compared to the prior year quarter.
Corporate costs are expected to be $5 million to $6 million in the fourth quarter, net of stock compensation expense. We expect our underlying free cash flow in Q4 to improve relative to the third quarter. Now this expectation excludes the approximately $73 million payment we made in October as a result of exiting the DB contract that [ Russell ] mentioned. That payment was in line with our accrual and in line with our expectations and as mentioned earlier, concludes our obligations related to the DB contract. We are also pleased to report that in October, we received a $5 million working capital final true-up payment from Veolia related to the Clean Earth sale.
Our net leverage remained at 1.9x at the end of Q3 as defined by our credit agreement. And you will recall that our bank covenant definitions limit the amount of cash that can be used in calculating net debt to $100 million. Now lastly, regarding our improvement program, which [ Russell ] discussed, we expect approximately $40 million of incremental benefits in addition to those realized in 2026. The benefit will roughly be split between HE and Rail as well as between 2027 and 2028. We are certainly pushing to realize these impacts sooner, but we see this as an appropriate view at the present time.
Some of these benefits come from simplifying our organizational structure and should have more immediate impacts, while others will take time, reflecting the complexity of implementing maintenance and operational changes across more than 100 sites globally in HE. To a lesser extent, the program also includes benefits in rail related to increased aftermarket penetration in 2027 and 2028. Now we'll provide more clarity on these details with our 2027 guidance that we will issue in February. Thanks, and I'll now hand the call back to the operator for Q&A.
Operator
Your first question comes from Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital Markets.
分析师问答
Robert Brown
Just wanted to follow up on the aftermarket focus. You had good progress starting -- starting this quarter, but in the quarter. What's sort of the view on the aftermarket kind of ramp? How much progress have you made there? And how much do you have to go to really get to where you want to be?
Russell Hochman
Rob, it's Russell. I think we've made some very good progress. I think there's more to go. I think the shift is really a reorientation of the team from its sort of legacy focus on new equipment as the primary focus and a realization that there's sort of a new opportunity to focus more on the aftermarket as its own sort of product category. And so I think we've separated these with new leadership, new organizational structure, separate P&L, bringing in new expertise, new life cycle aftermarket approach. And so obviously, the results speak for themselves. We may have taken our eye off that in the past. And so we think there's more runway there in terms of going after aftermarket. So we're very enthusiastic about the opportunity.
Peter Minan
Rob, it's Pete. We're early days, a simple answer. And I think the benefits we saw in Q3 were kind of largely related to quick wins and some real good opportunities that we saw. The real structural benefits, the longer-term benefits, which you'll see in 2027 and 2028 are going to be really related to some of the structural changes that we're putting in place today. So it's going to phase in. It's not going to be an overnight change, but we expect it to continue to be accretive over the next several quarters, actually through the end of 2028.
Robert Brown
And then good progress on getting the rail contracts sort of cleaned up on the DB side. What's sort of the next steps on that broader effort? I know you really reserved complete for what the ultimate charges are, but what's sort of the next steps in that effort?
Russell Hochman
Are you referring to Network Rail, Rob?
Robert Brown
Yes.
Russell Hochman
Network Rail. So yes, as I mentioned, we're having constructive discussions with them. We have a very long-standing relationship with them going back decades. We are still providing contracted services to them and that relationship is as good as ever. And they've reaffirmed that relationship continues to be very positive and the services continue to be very good. And all I can tell you at the moment is that the 2 sides are trying to work it out, right?
And so they're evaluating our offer as you can imagine as the national rail service provider, it's a big decision for them. They have a lot of stakeholders they need to speak with. So we are there when they need us. We are available to answer their questions. We are not spending anything. And so that's really what I can report at the moment. And so we put aside what we need to put aside for any kind of eventuality. But I would just say it's heading in a direction that we had hoped for.
And obviously, the recent news on Deutsche Bahn is evidence that we can work things out with our partners. I think the news yesterday that we successfully exited in a way that our customer will ultimately receive their equipment that the reputation of Harsco Rail remains very positive with this customer. And obviously, that we are getting paid for the assets kind of is evidence that we can work these things out, right? And so we're hopeful we can repeat that with Network Rail. But that's really what I can provide as an update at the moment.
Peter Minan
And Rob, it's Pete. Lest any uncertainty at all. The Deutsche Bahn contract is concluded. So we're -- it's entirely in our rearview mirror. We have nothing -- well, nothing further to do with respect to the contract. Frankly, the only accounting adjustments you're going to see are when we collect our payments from GBM next quarter and in early 2027, and those are positive cash flows and gains. So it's, as Russell said, extremely successful conclusion to a contract that has been creating a lot of uncertainty and questions for us over the years. So really happy about that.
Operator
Your next question comes from Larry Solow with CJS Securities.
Lawrence Solow
Good to see some progress on your initiatives. Congrats there. Just on the -- so on the -- curious on the DB settlement exit, is just the amount of cash outlay or the contractual settlement, is that -- it sounds like it's basically in line with your expectations, right? SBB, I'm just trying to run through them all. SBB, I believe that will be positive cash flow this year, right? So the only real dangling or potential -- I'm not saying it's negative, but where there's still some risk, I guess, is Network Rail. Is that correct? And can you just like run us through kind of -- I know you had, I think, like $200 million of cash reserve for all these contracts. Where does that kind of stand now? Can you kind of update us on just the numbers behind it?
Peter Minan
Yes, yes, sure. Larry, Pete. Good to hear from you. Yes, let me just break it into pieces. First of all, in the question of Deutsche Bahn, that actually -- the only thing we did in October was pay off the amount that we accrued in the exact amount to our -- basically refund the advance we got, which was $73 million. We paid that early October. So that's -- you'll see that in the Q4 cash activity. I mentioned that in my remarks, but that was completely consistent with what we accrued. There is no change. And as Russell mentioned, we had the cash set aside from that, and I'll come back to that in a second.
In the case of Network Rail, we are not spending any money. We've exited the contract. So we're not -- there's no activity at all until we reach an ultimate agreement with the company. So that's -- that we've got accrued, and I'll come back to the amount accrued in a second. SBB is cash positive -- net cash positive really more significantly in 2027 and 2028. But it's just -- it's something we're keeping because it's progressing quite well from here on out, and it's going to generate a meaningful amount of cash inflow over the next couple of years.
We had accrued roughly $185 million or so at the end of the quarter for all of these things. We won't get into specifics, but part of that will be settled by the $73 million payment I just mentioned related to DB that we've already spent. And then the rest of it is related to Network Rail and some other contracts, which we'll spend when we reach a negotiated settlement with Network Rail.
As far as cash, we had $280 million of cash on the balance sheet at the end of the quarter, $50 million of it was previously indicated as restricted. It's no longer restricted as of now. So that cash is what we had set aside plus another $25 million of cash collateral, if you recall, related to performance bonds, which is not shown as cash on the balance sheet. It's actually buried in other assets. So we have just under $300 million of cash kind of on the balance sheet that we had set aside to cover not only our normal working capital needs, but to deal with any and all possible scenarios that these exits could take.
Lawrence Solow
I appreciate all that color. And I know it's early days, but it sounds like if I just put the pieces all together between the exits of these UTV contracts and hopefully, some improvement in the domestic side. If we look out to '27, I know you don't want to give guidance yet, but is it fair to say that just on the rail side, cash flow could actually be positive or at least no longer negative?
Peter Minan
Yes. I think that's a fair comment, Rob.
Robert Brown
I mean...
Lawrence Solow
Okay. Great. Lastly, just on HE. It sounds like things are progressing mostly cost cutting and stuff. But you did mention, I guess, a little bit of a revenue increase. Is that more just volumes are roughly flat. I guess you got a little bit of benefit on the Eco product side. But are you just -- what's driving the revenue improvement volume decline? Is it just more ancillary services? Or what kind of drove that modest improvement? And it sounds like on the Europe side, no benefit yet, but perhaps some benefit next year.
Peter Minan
Yes. It's volumes, but also prices. We have some good price increases. So that helps. You recall that I mentioned that we're still seeing some pressure -- volume pressures in the Middle East because of the conflict there. That's -- those were largely offset by volume and price increases elsewhere in the business. In the case of Europe, you're absolutely right. We -- there are a number of sites that are in process now for restarting furnaces, for example, and to deal with the additional volumes that they expect to come in. We operate a number of those sites, and we expect to see the benefits largely in 2027, but we might see it a little bit in Q4.
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Martin for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.
David Martin
Thank you, Roy, and thanks for everyone joining us this morning. Any follow-up questions, feel free to reach out to me. And as always, we appreciate your interest in Enviri and look forward to speaking with you in the future. Take care.
Operator
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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