诺斯罗普·格鲁曼 (NOC) 2026年第三季度业绩电话会议：创纪录的积压订单与上调的业绩指引

核心要点

• 诺斯罗普·格鲁曼公布2026财年第三季度销售额为111亿美元，同比增长7%，四大业务板块均实现增长。
• 新接订单金额突破160亿美元，季度订单出货比达1.5，推动未完工订单增长20%，创下1100亿美元的历史新高。
• 业务板块营业利润增长5%，板块营业利润率达到12.1%。稀释后每股收益上升3%至7.89美元。
• 在营运资金改善以及出售B-21测试资产获得3.71亿美元资金的支撑下，调整后自由现金流增长超过40%，达到18亿美元。
• 管理层维持2026财年437.5亿至442.5亿美元的销售额指引，将板块营业利润指引的中点上调6500万美元，并将每股收益指引上调0.70美元。
• 展望2027财年，管理层预计销售额增长为5%至7%，利润率扩大10至20个基点，调整后自由现金流为33亿至37亿美元。

核心财务数据

业务与运营表现

航空系统部门（Aeronautics Systems）销售额增长14%，主要得益于F-35产量与维护保障量的提升、B-21项目的持续增产以及B-2维护保障销售额的增加。在产品组合与项目执行的推动下，营业利润率提升至10.5%。

防务系统部门（Defense Systems）销售额增长12%至23亿美元。增长动力来自“哨兵”（Sentinel）洲际导弹项目及战术固体火箭发动机交付量的增加。营业利润达到2.5亿美元，利润率为10.8%。

任务系统部门（Mission Systems）销售额增长2%，主要归因于受限机载雷达项目以及海洋系统业务交付量的增加。在良好业务组合执行力支撑下，其营业利润率达到15.8%。

航天系统部门（Space Systems）销售额增长2%，主要由国家安全项目、受限业务及GPI（滑翔阶段拦截弹）拉动，但部分被商业补给服务合同的收入确认时间差所抵消。利润率提升至11.3%，公司并已恢复GEM 63 XL火箭发动机的交付。

本季度获得的主要新合同包括：受限项目46亿美元、“哨兵”项目追加20亿美元以及额外3架E-2D生产型预警机10亿美元。一份弗吉尼亚级Block V型潜艇合同为未完工订单增加了14亿美元，涵盖截至2032年的额外12套舰载设备。

在“哨兵”项目上，诺斯罗普·格鲁曼完成了惰性导弹的首次完整垂直组装，并获得了美国空军对其设计成熟度的批准，以便向2027年首飞迈进。管理层预计，在2020年代末开始扩大生产规模前，涉及导弹、发射基础设施和指挥控制系统的研发工作仍将持续数年。

在航天系统部门，公司为美国太空发展局（Space Development Agency）的“第1批次传输层”（Tranche 1 Transport Layer）发射并部署了首批21颗卫星。管理层预计，在其规划的150颗卫星中，将有近50颗在接下来的六个月内完成部署。

诺斯罗普·格鲁曼还在扩充B-21生产、固体火箭发动机、超音速推进系统及先进航天系统的产能。在犹他州、马里兰州、亚利桑那州和佛罗里达州新建或扩建设施，增加了超过100万平方英尺的场地和2000多个工作岗位。

公司特别提到了Talon Blue的首次完全自主飞行，并推出了Fortitude微电子芯片。管理层表示，该芯片的功率可达同类产品的3倍，信号质量提升至20倍。诺斯罗普·格鲁曼正在评估其更广泛的微电子和量子能力的战略替代方案，包括继续内部投资、引进外部投资或拆分。

管理层业绩指引

管理层预计所有四个部门将在2027财年实现增长。在“哨兵”和B-21项目的支撑下，防务系统和航空系统预计仍将是主要增长贡献者。航天系统的增长预计将从2026财年的水平提速，而管理层正在评估任务系统部门的增速能否超越其历史3%至5%的区间。

公司预计2027财年业务板块营业利润的增速将快于销售额增速。然而，B-21和“哨兵”项目在销售额中占比的增加可能会对板块利润率造成压力，同时任务系统部门2026财年的盈利水平可能难以复制。

2027财年之后，随着核心支柱项目扩大生产、国际销售进一步拓展以及研发项目向量产过渡，管理层预计增长将进一步提速。公司还重申了到2031年将国际销售额翻倍的目标。

风险与关注领域

• 在美国政府依据“持续决议”（Continuing Resolution，即临时拨款法案）运行期间，美国政府拨款的时间和规模仍存在不确定性。管理层表示，长期处于持续决议状态可能会影响2027财年的增长节奏。
• 尽管管理层表示已取得的关键里程碑正逐步降低风险，但B-21在测试及剩余固定价格的低速率初始生产（LRIP）批次上仍存在执行风险。
• B-21的产能扩建需要较高的资金投入。预计2026财年第四季度的资本支出将接近10亿美元，2027财年约为21亿美元。
• 预计B-21的亏损消化（loss burn-down）平均每季度约为1亿美元；2026财年第三季度的消化金额为7000万美元。
• 国际合同的签署时机以及新签署订单转化为生产的速度，可能决定2027财年销售额增长率是处于5%至7%区间的低端还是高端。
• 研发项目仍面临技术突破不确定性以及完工估算（EAC）调整的风险。管理层预计，随着业务组合向生产转型，这种波动性将会下降。
• 微电子和量子项目的资金投资需求及最终架构尚未确定。

分析师问答环节要点

管理层表示，2027财年的销售额增长区间反映了对未完工订单、项目执行力以及国家安全预算优先事项的信心，但由于内部规划和政府预算周期仍在推进中，该区间依然相对宽泛。公司预计将在第四季度业绩公布时对该区间作进一步细化。

关于未完工订单的可见度，管理层预计当前未完工订单中约有35%将在未来12个月内转化，另有55%将在随后的24个月内转化，其余部分则延长至36个月以上。这支撑了管理层关于2028财年增速将高于2027财年的预期，不过会议未给出2028财年的具体增速。

关于B-21项目，管理层表示产能投资将在未来几年持续进行，在主要设施建设持续至2028年之后，预计在本十年晚些时候将实现更高的产量。维护保障和升级改造预计也将为该项目的长期收入构成作出贡献。

对于固体火箭发动机及相关零部件，管理层称现有业务规模约在10亿美元左右。预计增长将来自于现有合同交付量的提升，以及涉及固体火箭发动机、引信和弹头的新零部件协议，2027财年将被定位为产能提速之年。

在自主系统方面，诺斯罗普·格鲁曼表示，Talon IQ已展示出与第三方自主软件的互操作性，并支持了与约六家公司的合作集成项目。管理层将经济实惠、可扩展的制造以及开放集成视为其协同作战飞机战略的核心。

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管理层陈述

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Northrop Grumman's Third Quarter 2026 Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. My name is Josh, and I will be your operator today. [Operator Instructions].

I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. Randy Sinclair, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Sinclair, please proceed.

Unknown Executive

Good morning, and welcome to Northrop Brummin's Third Quarter 2026 Conference Call. Before we begin, please note that matters discussed on today's call, including guidance and outlooks for 2026 and beyond, reflect the company's judgment based on information available at the time of this call. They constitute forward-looking statements under the safe harbor provisions of federal securities laws. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in today's press release and our SEC filings, which may cause actual company results to differ materially.

Today's call will also include non-GAAP financial measures, which are reconciled to our GAAP results in the earnings release. Additionally, we will reference a presentation that has been posted on our Investor Relations website. Joining us on the call today are Kathy Warden, our Chair, CEO and President; and John Greene, our CFO.

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Kathy.

Kathy Warden

Thanks, Randy, and good morning, everyone. Northrop Grumman's third quarter results reflect strong and disciplined execution across the company. We're delivering on our commitments, and we're doing it with innovation and urgency. Our execution is based on an enduring strategy and adaptive approach, meeting our customers' needs through technology innovation, a laser focus on performance and value-driven capital deployment. Guided by that strategy, we've deliberately and continuously shaped our portfolio to align with our customers' top priorities, and I'm confident our investments and industry-leading performance will enable durable sales and earnings growth for the foreseeable future.

As the threat environment evolves, maintaining America's advantage requires significant and balanced investments in both the attributable mass that supports resilience and the exquisite capabilities that remain the backbone of deterrence and power projection. In a complex world with growing needs for solutions that scale and perform in contested environments, our customers continue to turn to Northrop Grumman.

We have leading roles in the strategic triad, space superiority, microelectronics and homeland defense. We also offer innovative and cost-effective solutions in emerging market segments, including counter UAS and autonomous systems. And we are investing to rapidly expand our munitions and missile capacity to meet operational needs and increased demand.

Our company's portfolio breadth matched with our execution, turn strategic alignment into delivered capability and value creation, as demonstrated in our third quarter results. In the quarter, our book-to-bill was 1.5x, which drove a new record backlog of $110 billion, reflecting robust demand and years of durable sales. Performance across the portfolio was exceptional, with a segment operating margin rate over 12%. These outcomes are built on disciplined program execution, and our team continues to deliver many significant accomplishments.

On Sentinel, all aspects of the program are progressing as planned as we complete multiple tests and achieve our milestones on this complex development effort. In the quarter, we completed the first full vertical assembly of an inert missile at Vandenberg Space for Space and gained approval from the U.S. Air Force on Sentinel Design Maturity for first flight to proceed in 2027. We -- this program is a key growth driver this year and throughout the 2030s as we complete the development and transition into production. In Space Systems, we provide space vehicles and ground systems for the Space Development Agency's proliferated war fighter space architecture.

We recently launched and deployed our first 21 satellites for the tranche 1 transport layer, a critical step in the execution of unparalleled space-based communication for the U.S. base force. In the next 6 months, we expect a sustained cadence of launches with nearly 50 of our 150 satellites planned for deployment to support transport and tracking missions. Across our company, we see a sustainable and profitable growth trajectory.

As John will share in more detail, we are exceeding our own expectations and increasing our 2026 guidance for segment operating income, margin rate and earnings per share. We expect to drive that momentum into 2027 as we ramp B-21 testing and production Advanced Sentinel, continue our leadership in national security space and meet increased demand for missile and munition production.

Our confidence in program execution is reflected in our 2027 outlook where we expect to accelerate growth and expand margins and cash to offset increased capital investments for the B-21 acceleration, maintaining our previously communicated cash flow range.

Beyond 2027, we expect growth to again accelerate and margins to further expand as we ramp on franchise programs, increased production volumes and grow international sales. Our outlook reflects both the depth and promise of our premier portfolio with new sources of growth already taking shape. One example of our response to growing market demand is Rate Hunter our latest addition to our counter UAS portfolio.

Rate Hunter is a cost-effective product line that's designed to close a critical short-range defense gap as drone swarms and cruise missiles become more common. This gut-based air defense system combines our proven Bushmaster Changan technology and new precision-guided 50-millimeter ammunition to deliver powerful protection against high volume rates. We're receiving clear demand signals for Rate Hunter from key allies and expected to drive incremental growth for an already rapidly growing defense systems portfolio. We also definitize the Virginia Class Block V submarine procurement for an additional 12 ship sets of main propulsion units and ship service turbine generators.

The award value adds $1.4 billion to backlog, supporting our partnership with the Navy through 2032. Additionally, we had multiple competitive strategic award wins in our restricted space portfolio associated with our leadership role in space sensing and superiority. Each advancement adds to breadth and future growth sectors and we are investing in delivering products to capture it. We deploy capital with discipline, investing first to profitably grow and meet our customers' needs.

In the last 3 months, we've opened or expanded facilities in Utah, Maryland, Arizona and Florida, adding over 1 million square feet of manufacturing and engineering space and creating more than 2,000 new jobs at these sites. These investments support key customer priorities, including the accelerated production of the B-21 Raider, increased capacity for solid rocket motors and hypersonic propulsion systems, advanced space systems, design and manufacturing and aircraft design and manufacturing. Each is a continuation of our strategy to invest and perform.

Today, our investments have provided the capacity necessary to deliver durable growth as we expand our product offerings and capacity. Staying ahead of tomorrow's threats takes leadership in technology. And this quarter, we extended that leadership in several areas. In Aeronautics, Talon Blue completed its first fully autonomous light with the aircraft handily taxi, take-off, flight maneuvers and landing on its own. -- designed and built in 24 months, Talon Blue demonstrates how we're accelerating modular design with manufacturing innovations to deliver real results with speed.

After the successful test flight, we used Talon Blue to rapidly test and mature new autonomous capabilities, moving them into the field faster and at lower cost. Building on 7 decades of autonomous leadership, we expect this product line to be a competitive entry in a market with clear growing demand signals, both in the U.S. and internationally.

We also introduced Fortitude, a significant advancement in microelectronics technology. This single chip, the size of a grain of rice, uses patented technology to deliver up to 3x the power and 20x the signal quality of comparable solutions in the market today. It can replace dozens of individual components while reducing the weight and power demands of the system it serves. It's a capability with broad application from RADAR to GPS, electronic warfare and future 6G networks, and we're building it for both defense and commercial applications.

Fortitude is just one example of our unmatched microelectronics capability. For more than a decade, we've leveraged our expertise in cutting-edge semiconductors and our secure U.S. foundries to pioneer leading quantum computing technologies. Today, we see a significant opportunity to scale this transformative technology for commercial and government customers.

To fully realize its potential, we are actively evaluating strategic alternatives and believe we are uniquely positioned to lead in this field. We'll share more details on our approach to scale this capability in the coming months.

Turning to the budget and starting with the U.S. We remain optimistic about the strong bipartisan support in Congress for national security. We are operating under a continuing resolution, and we're hopeful that an agreement for appropriations will be reached in the coming months. We understand how to navigate this environment, and we've done so effectively in the past.

Importantly, our portfolio includes a set of prioritized growth drivers firmly anchored in the U.S. base budget request, including full coverage of our prime program and solid support across the rest of our business. As a result, we believe we're relatively insulated from incremental funding uncertainty, leaving us well positioned and confident in our outlook. Globally, we continue to witness unprecedented levels of demand for defense capabilities.

Allied Defense budgets are in the midst of a multiyear secular upswing and we are responding by providing a range of ready-now capabilities, including munitions, missile defense, sensors as well as crude and uncrewed aircraft. These demand signals give us confidence in our goal to double international sales by 2031.

In closing, I'm proud of our team and our ability to execute and innovate with speed. This quarter extended our reputation for driving performance through a strategy fundamentally aligned to our customers' highest priorities. For decades, Northrop Grumman has been solving the world's most difficult challenges including those that require staying ahead of advanced and evolving adversaries.

While we continue to adapt and innovate, the core of our advantage is in the technology leadership and our portfolio that underpins deterrence and power projection. We will continue to deliver unmatched capabilities that serve to protect the United States and our allies around the world. That is why I'm excited about our future and confident in our performance trajectory in the years ahead.

Now I'll turn it over to John for a review of our quarterly results and updated guidance. John?

John Greene

Thank you, Kathy, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our third quarter financial results, as shown on Slide 4. Momentum continues to build throughout our portfolio. As Kathy shared, backlog increased 20% to $110 billion compared to the third quarter of last year, driven by bookings of over $16 billion. This performance reflects a book-to-bill ratio of 1.5 for the quarter and 1.45 on a year-to-date basis.

Key awards in the quarter include $4.6 billion on restricted programs and additional $2 billion on Sentinel and 3 additional E-2D production aircraft for $1 billion. Third quarter sales were $11.1 billion, up 7% year-over-year, driven by higher sales at all 4 segments. Operating performance was outstanding. Segment operating income grew 5% with a margin rate of 12.1%. From a year-over-year comparison standpoint, the prior year benefited from a favorable $68 million EAC adjustment at MS.

Earnings per share increased to $7.89 and up 3%, driven by higher top line segment operating income expansion and additional tax benefits. Capital expenditures were $306 million, reflecting continued investment in our business to enable long-term profitable growth. And adjusted free cash flow was $1.8 billion in the period, up over 40% compared to the prior year, driven by improvements in working capital and $371 million of proceeds from the sale of a test asset on the B-21 program.

Overall, it was an outstanding quarter of disciplined program execution that demonstrated the strength of our portfolio. Moving to segment performance, starting with Aeronautics on Slide 5. AS continues to fire on all cylinders with backlog, sales and operating income all up meaningfully from the prior year. sales increased by 14%, driven by higher production volumes and sustainment volumes on the F-35 program. We're also seeing higher volumes in our strike portfolio, driven by the continued ramp on B-21 and higher sustainment sales on the B2 program.

Operating margins improved to 10.5%, enabled by product mix and disciplined program execution throughout the portfolio. Defense Systems third quarter sales accelerated to $2.3 billion, up 12% compared to the prior year. Higher sales were driven by continued ramp on Sentinel as well as higher volumes on tactical solid rocket motor programs. Operating income increased to $250 million with third quarter segment operating margin rate of 10.8% supported by good execution on tactical missile programs.

Mission Systems delivered another quarter of exceptional bottom line performance. Sales increased 2%, primarily due to the ramp up on restricted airborne radar programs and higher volumes on Marine Systems. Segment operating income was outstanding at 15.8%, driven by continued excellent portfolio execution. And at space, sales increased by 2%, driven by strength on national security programs, including restricted efforts and GPI, partially offset by timing of revenue on the commercial resupply service contract. Margins improved to 11.3%, including stable performance on GEM 63 XL. We resumed delivery of rocket motors in the third quarter.

Turning to earnings per share on Slide 9. Third quarter diluted EPS was $7.89, up 3% compared to the prior year. Strong segment operating performance and tax benefits were partially offset by lower returns on marketable securities. The improvement in the third quarter effective tax rate was driven by the recognition of higher research credits. These past 2 quarters have reflected ongoing efforts to optimize our tax positions, both federally and at the state level.

We'll continue to assess our positions in future periods and expect the cash benefits associated with these efforts to land over the next several years.

Moving to company level guidance on Slide 10. We continue to expect full year sales of $43.75 billion to $44.25 billion. Similar to last year, we expect higher fourth quarter sales throughout the portfolio driven by production throughput, material volumes and normal seasonality. We expect continued strong awards in the fourth quarter and a full year book-to-bill ratio of at least 1.3 on due to continued strong operating performance throughout the portfolio and our confidence in the fourth quarter, we are increasing the midpoint of our segment operating income by $65 million.

The updated guidance range of $4.94 billion to $5.04 billion, reflect a full year segment operating margin rate of approximately 11.3% at the midpoint. We are increasing EPS guidance by $0.70 driven by higher segment performance and a lower tax rate, partially offset by higher corporate unallocated costs and interest expense. And we are maintaining our adjusted free cash flow guidance at $3.1 billion to $3.5 billion for the year.

Turning to segment level guidance on Slide 11. We are reaffirming our sales guidance at all segments. For operating income, we are increasing our guidance at AES to high 9% and at MS to mid-15% due to their excellent program execution. Collectively, this implies a fourth quarter segment operating margin rate of mid- to high 11%, driven by production mix and continued strong operating performance.

Before concluding my prepared remarks, I'll take a few moments to build on Kathy's comments regarding our 2027 outlook. Given the strong support for our key programs and the enduring global demand for our capabilities, we continue to expect robust sales growth next year and well into the next decade. For 2027, we project sales growth between 5% and 7%, representing further acceleration from the growth expected this year with higher sales in all 4 segments.

Beyond 2027, we are confident that sales growth will continue to accelerate. We expect segment operating income will grow faster than sales with 10 to 20 basis points of margin expansion beyond the current 2026 guidance midpoint. Capital expenditures continue to be projected at 4.5% of sales as we build out the capacity to support a higher B-21 production rate.

In total, we expect approximately $2.1 billion in 2027 CapEx. We also expect a 2027 adjusted free cash flow in the range of $3.3 billion to $3.7 billion. Relative to the previous outlook, higher capital intensity for B-21 acceleration is being offset with stronger operating performance, disciplined working capital management and cash tax optimization.

In closing, the results and the outlook we've discussed today are not the product of a single quarter, but the output of the strategy that Kathy described at the onset of the call. That strategy is translating directly into our financial results and it provides a visible runway for durable long-term growth.

We expect that growth to come with expanding margins driven by strong program execution, cost efficiency growing international sales and a mix shift towards more production as our development programs mature. Our pairing of intentional strategy and the combination of accelerating growth, expanding margins and capital discipline underpins our confidence in the years ahead.

Lastly, we'll continue to be guided by our consistent balanced and disciplined capital allocation priorities, which drive value to our shareholders through strategic investments in our business and shareholder distributions.

With that, let's open the call for Q&A.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Kristine Liwag with Morgan Stanley.

分析师问答

Kristine Liwag

I guess Kathy and John, you've previously talked about acceleration in growth in 2028. But I think when we think about the potential range of outcomes in 2 -- can you just give us an understanding of what drives the low end versus the high end of your outlook? And also with this meaningful step-up in 2028 of acceleration, what are the key operating milestones or potential enablers that could potentially bring forward some of this 2020 growth into 2027? Is that a possibility?

John Greene

Okay. Kristine, it's good to hear your voice. So let me phrase '27 this way and I'm going to move it back to '26 and talk about our execution here this year. We talked about in the last quarter that we're building momentum. And what you saw in this quarter building momentum, and that momentum continues into 2027. So as we pulled the guide together for 2027, we considered a number of factors.

Certainly, the strong backlog that we have, the great execution, the the placement of our programs in the national defense priorities all giving us confidence that we're going to be able to execute strongly into '27 and out beyond into 2028. So the low end reflects frankly, where we are in the budgeting cycle for ourselves.

So we've got some more work to do internally to get a greater level of confidence. The high end reflects our belief that we're going to continue to execute very, very strongly and be able to deliver great outcomes for our customers. So it's probably a little bit wider than you would like. And I hear the read in terms of '28, what can we pull in.

Certainly, we've got some marquee programs, B-21, Sentinel and the multiyear programs that we're all working on. So 5% to 7% is where we are today. And in our fourth quarter call, we'll tighten that range. And if there's some more upside on it, we'll certainly share.

Kristine Liwag

Great. And as a follow-up, Kathy, on Fortitude, you called out your microelectronics, the size of a grain of rice, delivering 3x the power and 20x the signal quality of comparable solutions. It's also particularly interesting that you called out the commercial opportunity for this product. So first, can you give us more context on how differentiated the technology is and how we should think about the growth opportunity for Northrop Grumman for this kind of a defense and commercial TAM?

Kathy Warden

Yes. Thanks, Kristine. So as we have for decades been at the forefront of microelectronics technology, we've largely focused that technology development on miniaturized processing power. I've talked before about having the most powerful chip in terms of processing speed. And that geared toward military applications has meant that in very small form factors that are power efficient, we are able to deliver extreme processing capability.

We recognize that there's commercial applications for those underlying technologies as well. And with Fortitude, and I also mentioned Quantum Technology, we are sitting on patent that have relevance outside of the defense space. So we have been doing a strategic review of our microelectronics capability and looking at how do we bring some of these out to a more both defense.

We're not strained from our defense core, but also commercial applications for this underlying technology in our business. So we are optimistic about what that could look like. We are doing some strategic reviews. Fortitude clearly is mature technology. Quantum is progressing towards some very important technical milestones in the next couple of years, but we see both of them as addressing very large both defense and commercial markets.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Godyn with Citi.

John Godyn

I also wanted to just ask for a little bit more color on the 2027 comments. This quarter, we saw relative strength in Aeronautics and Defense Systems, while Mission Systems and Space lagged. I know you're going to give sort of segment detail later on. But just in terms of the shape when we're thinking about the drivers of '27, are the leading segments accelerating further? Are the laggards sort of snapping back a bit? Any color you can give us just to give us a little bit of a better sense would be helpful.

John Greene

Sure, John. So all 4 segments, we will see positive year-over-year growth. So we expect that growth to come from both new programs as well as backlog. And certainly, our 2 leading franchise in terms of growth will be DS. It approaching 10% this year. We expect AES continued growth on the back of B-21. And then Mission Systems, certainly, that business has generated year-over-year growth on average somewhere between 3 and 5, we're going to continue to take a look at that and see if that can be accelerated.

And in Space, this year, it's been -- we're looking at relatively muted growth. We expect next year to that to accelerate a bit from where we are this year. So hopefully, that's helpful color.

John Godyn

Yes. That's great. And just sort of a similar question on the margins improving comment. Any puts and takes or leaders and laggers that you'd call out just as we're trying to visualize the upcoming year?

John Greene

Yes. So AS had a really, really strong margins this year. So as B-21 becomes a larger percent of sales, we're going to certainly expect that program to deliver continued profitability. But certainly, as that becomes a larger percent of sales, that will put some level of basis points pressure on on the AES margin. DS, we expect strong execution, but we have a similar situation with Sentinel, but also growing international sales and program execution that will be helpful. space, relatively consistent margins.

And then MS, it's been a banner year in terms of execution there. So we're looking to see if we can repeat that, but where we are today, is likely on the upper end, and I would expect that to fall in a bit. And just one other point on overall margins. We're still early in the planning process here. So the takeaway should be that we're early. We've got strong program performance. We're going to have a slight contract mix shift

And then relative to Kathy's comments on Quantum, we haven't included any specific investment dollars for Quantum yet. What we're trying to do is work out the strategic alternatives and make sure we can maximize shareholder value in whatever way we take that initiative.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ronald Epstein with Bank of America.

Ronald Epstein

Kathy, can you speak a little bit to the ramp of B-21, you're ramping up production by, what, 25%, how that's going?

Kathy Warden

Sure, Ron. Thanks for the question. As you know, it is a ramp that will happen over time. We will be investing in that acceleration capacity over the next couple of years and then expect to see the translation into higher volumes later in the decade. We, of course, are ramping beyond production as well. We have sustainment starting to come into the program.

We also have modernization that is ongoing in the program. As we've talked about top line drivers for the B-21 is beyond that production acceleration to other elements of the full program life cycle support. But as you pointed to the capacity expansion, that really starts to take effect once we get through the large part of the facilitization, which is through 2028.

Ronald Epstein

And then maybe as a follow-on to B-21, a question we frequently get from investors, how should they think about potential risk of another charge the future around the fixed price low rate initial production months.

Kathy Warden

The program is performing very well. We are continuing to progress through test and as we are testing the aircraft, it is performing against our key performance parameters. That's the largest risk in any development program, which is that you would find discoveries late and particularly the later you get in test, we are knocking down that risk with each program day and test milestone that is successful.

We also are working our way through the production learning curve. And so again, there each and every day that we perform, we are improving our performance cadence and retiring risk. It is not without risk because we still have a ways to go clearly in production of our remaining LRIP units, but our confidence continues to grow in the team's ability to execute on that program.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Deuschle with Deutsche Bank.

Scott Deuschle

Kathy, just to be more explicit, when you talk about the strategic review for the foundry business, are you suggesting you might sell it or spin it? Or is there a broader landscape of strategic alternatives than just those 2 outcomes?

Kathy Warden

It's a broader landscape clearly to the degree that we and others see value in that business. We could continue to solely invest in it ourselves with the support of our current shareholders. We could think about broadening that base of investment or we could think as you noted, about separating the business, all of those options are on the table and certainly the degree to which we do that and the timing are all the things that we would be taking under advisement here in the coming months.

Scott Deuschle

Can you quantify at all what the size of the investment might be required if you were to go it alone?

Kathy Warden

It would be premature to do that because it depends on how quickly we want to scale to particular technical milestones and our appetite for that. So we really shared this with you today to just give you the broader purview of what is happening in our microelectronics business with several technologies, like the RQL, which is our unique advantage in quantum. It stands for reciprocal quantum logic and it's an ultra-efficient superconducting chip technology.

And as we said, we believe it has applicability not only for us scale a quantum computer, but that others might also be able to leverage this technology. So that's what we are exploring.

Scott Deuschle

Okay. And then, John, when the B-21 charges were first books, I believe the expectation on cash timing was that 60% of the cash impact would hit buyer before 2026. I think the remaining 40% was 2027 or later. Is that still the kind of rough cadence and timing expectation for those cash losses? Or has that actually moved at all?

John Greene

Yes. So the way to think about that is on the loss burn down. And what we've said is about $100 million a quarter is what we'll typically burn down. This quarter, the number happened to be $70 million. So -- you can just do the math on that to have a better estimate of the cash impact.

Operator

Our next question comes from Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies.

Sheila Kahyaoglu

I thought the slide was super helpful in terms of the program funding that highlights the base request pending for almost 70% of the portfolio. and the 5% to 7% growth for 2027. How do you think about the major drivers of that 5% to 7%? And I guess, where are areas of potential acceleration that might move the needle as you suggested potentially for 2028 growth.

Kathy Warden

Sheila, certainly, the programs that we outlined on that chart are key drivers of growth, areas like B-21, Sentinel, our support to shipbuilding and in addition, things that are not fully represented on the chart like our weapons portfolio scaling into new munitions acceleration counsel weapons where we have not been a key provider, but we now are entering into contracts become a key provider. Those would scale over the course of 2027.

International is obviously not represented on this chart. It's meant to be a U.S. base budget analysis, but international is also a key driver of acceleration of our growth in 2027 and beyond. And international, as always is more difficult to pin down in time in terms of exact timing for getting under contract. So it becomes a driver of question as to how much of that falls into '27 and how much falls more into 2028.

And then the other area that isn't significantly called out on this chart, but we expect to be a key growth driver is our restricted base portfolio. About 2/3 of our space portfolio falls into the category of national security space and both the base budget and the reconciliation package has pretty significant increases that could drive further growth.

So when you think about what will drive us towards the bottom end versus the top end of our growth range for 2027, it's the rate at which we get these areas on contract and can scale our production rate at which international contracts are awarded and begin to have a meaningful impact in 2027.

And probably most importantly, is the level of appropriation and the timing of appropriations, the amount of time we stay in a continuing resolution, certainly, could impact 2027. But the point being, we expect acceleration throughout the year with further acceleration into 2028.

Sheila Kahyaoglu

That's super helpful. And maybe, Kathy, if I could follow up to that. What this portfolio solid market motors is about 8% of the mix, 75% funded. How do we think about that solid bucket motor opportunity second sourcing? Like what's what's the potential size of that business?

Kathy Warden

Yes. So we've talked before about having approximately $1 billion of work in that area today. And we are looking at not only scaling off of that $1 billion because we are seeing growth in quantities for the contracts where we already are performing, but we are entering into agreements to become a component provider most notably solid rocket motors, but I should mention fuses, warheads, notes are also part of our component offering mix.

And as we enter into those new agreements that will become the primary growth driver for us in '27 and beyond. But '27 will be a ramping year on all of those contracts as they start out small and then we progress towards the minimum guaranteed quantities and work to secure even more of that work going forward.

Operator

Our next question comes from Maggie Schooley with Rothschild & Co Redburn.

Margaret Schooley

I wanted to ask about Talon Blue. You mentioned it recently had its first tili autonomous slate. And I was wondering if you could provide any more details on how Prism the Mission software system is performing and particularly how the interoperability with other third-party autonomy systems is working. So any color on that would be very helpful.

Kathy Warden

Absolutely. So Talon is an investment that we've made both in the platform, which is Talon Blue and in the systems that control the CCAs and associated platforms, and that's what we call Talent IQ. And Maggie, your question goes largely to Telenet, which has demonstrated through test the ability to interoperate with other companies autonomous software. And to integrate that software, we're working with about half a dozen companies who have come into our test bed and done cooperative integration projects with us.

We also, through that test bed, have demonstrated the ability to control other platforms. So those milestones have been proven and demonstrated. And it's the combination of a platform that allows us to do this testing and the test that itself that allows us to derisk integration and work with partners that really is creating the optionality for us to work with multiple U.S. customers on defining their requirements for the next generation of collaborative aircraft and with international partners as well.

Operator

Our next question comes from Seth Seifman with JPMorgan.

Seth Seifman

I wanted to ask, John, maybe just starting off on the cash flow. If you could help us a little bit and thinking about the drivers there moving from '26 to '27, the growth of a couple of hundred million, but there's the headwind from the payment for the test article this year and then the broader increase in CapEx. So we can see the growth and the drop in that growth and that provides a portion of it. But if you could quantify the other pieces perhaps.

John Greene

Sure. Sure. So cash flow is actually quite a good story this year. So in the third quarter, we're up about $550 million. Year-to-date, we're up $900 million, so good performance year-to-date. In the fourth quarter, we expect a meaningful step-up in the level of CapEx to support some of the some of the key initiatives, including B21. So you can think about the fourth quarter CapEx to be approaching $1 billion. And then as we look at 2027 and beyond, really what's driving it is program execution.

So sales growth, margin -- consistent margin with some level of margin expansion, tax optimization, working capital optimization. And then we're going to continue to be disciplined on the allocation of our CapEx dollars. So I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we do expect another step-up of CapEx to about $2.1 billion, and that's be able to invest in the infrastructure to deliver key programs for our customers. So overall, building cash momentum on the back of strong sales and execution from a margin perspective and disciplined capital allocation and working capital management.

Seth Seifman

Okay. Great. And then maybe just a follow-up. If you can help out a little bit in terms of where we are in the Sentinel program, it looks like you've achieved a lot of the development of the missile. And I've kind of thought about the missile as ramping in production more in the next decade.

And so in terms of the activity, at the company between now and kind of late in the 2020s. Is that primarily related to sort of infrastructure and C2 in terms of incremental growth and how to think about the magnitude of that incremental growth, that percentage of sales that you guys hopefully put on the slide, does that increase in the coming years?

Kathy Warden

So Seth, over the next several years, we will continue to execute the development program, and there will be aspects of all 3 lines of effort, which includes the missile itself, we'll be continuing the integration as we demonstrated that first vertical stack and taking that through a rigorous test campaign.

We will also be continuing design work on the launch facilities. Think of that as infrastructure part of the program, the building out of the missile silos and the command centers. And then the third component of the program is command and control, and that's all the system has been in a great and allow the government to operate the system. So all 3 of those work streams have continued development work over the next several years leading into an integrated test campaign.

At the same time, towards the end of the decade, we'll begin looking at ramping production on all aspects of the program. So the missile itself as well as the infrastructure will begin to deploy those capabilities and scale them. And that is something that we're really excited about. And yet our focus in these next several years will be on completing the development program.

Seth Seifman

Okay. Great. And so does that -- is that kind of a 7%-ish think of that sales percentage through the development portion kind of remaining fairly consistent? Or is that growing above the company pace?

Kathy Warden

It's been growing above the company pace modestly, and we expect that it will be in the same range around the company growth rate or a little above.

Operator

Our next question comes from Anthony Valentini with Barclays.

Unknown Analyst

Kathy, I'm curious what you're most excited about in the portfolio that's outside of B-21 and Sentinel. And then obviously, like the classified stuff that you can't talk about.

Kathy Warden

Yes. You're asking me to pick amongst a lot of favorite children today, really, what we wanted to highlight is some of the microelectronic to that we are bringing out of what we would call deeper research and development work into ready for commercialization. And so we talked about Fortitude as a new product line. We've talked about quantum.

And I think many people don't recognize that our company has that strong pedigree of microelectronics expertise because we have largely directed it towards government application. Our government customers are very open now to us taking that technology working it into a commercial ecosystem and then in commercial terms, selling it back to the government.

I can't underemphasize how important that is, and it's an opportunity that as a company, we are going to take advantage of in complete partnership with the government, but do it in a way that also opens up access to commercial markets before, we did not have as strong as an opportunity to because of the restricted nature of the work we were doing. So to me, that's the biggest change that we are sharing with you today and something that I'm quite excited about.

Operator

Our next question comes from Noah Poponak with Goldman Sachs.

Noah Poponak

Apologies if this is some combination of splitting hairs or obvious, but I just want to make sure I'm using the right definitions and understanding the outlook correctly. So with the outlook for 2027 organic revenue growth, 5% to 7% and then further acceleration in 2028.

Just want to make sure that the literal interpretation of that is 8% or more growth in 2028 as opposed to just meaning that it's up again.

And then, John, you didn't specify -- you're not guiding '29 or '30, but you made comments along the lines of sustainability of acceleration into the next decade. Should we be thinking about 8% or more 2029, 2030? Or is that reading what you're saying too much?

Kathy Warden

Noah, this is Kathy. I'll start, and then John can add in. We are suggesting that a 5% to 7% growth rate next year would accelerate, meaning be higher in '28 than we experienced in '27. I'm not sure I would jump all the way to 8%. We're not going to guide a specific number for 2028. But to answer your question directly, we are saying that we expect the growth rate in '28 to be higher than it is in '27.

There is potential for further acceleration beyond that. But of course, the further out you go, the more dependent that is on factors that today we didn't cover, we see strong visibility through contracts we have for backlog we have today through that '28 period.

Just to give you a little bit of insight there. As we have done in the past, we shared that our backlog burn down tends to be weighted towards the later part of our planning horizon. So for 2027, we expect about 35% of our backlog to burn down over the next 12 months, another 55 over the following 24 months. leaving the remainder past 36 months.

And when you think of it in that way, our backlog today is more robust and durable than what we would typically experience, which is why it gives us that strong visibility to talk multiple years out. So hopefully, that gives you some good insight.

Noah Poponak

That's super helpful. I appreciate it. And then, Kathy, I guess, the margins in the quarter are strong and the margin outlook you're providing is discussed with confidence. But the margins have been a little bit choppy over the last few years.

I guess, maybe a level setting on what's been behind that? How should we be thinking about the extent to which the items that have driven margin headwind in recent periods are behind you versus still have some risk?

Kathy Warden

I really look at it with the mix of our portfolio in mind whenever we have a high concentration of development work, that carries a higher risk profile, and it's why margins tend to be lower on development programs. And we can't always predict that. So you see a little bit of choppiness, right, taking earnings adjustments as a result of discovery in development as our portfolio has progressed and will continue to progress very notably over the remainder of this decade towards more production, we tend to see less variation and fewer EAC adjustments and, therefore, higher margin performance.

So it's that dimension of our portfolio that is really worth thinking through. We've talked and given numbers about how we expect that cost plus, which is, in some ways, synonymous with development contracts shifting to fixed price over the next several years, but it's a pretty material shift that we are expecting that derisks the portfolio.

Unknown Executive

Josh, I think we have time for one more question.

Operator

And our last question comes from Michael Ciarmoli with Guggenheim Securities.

Unknown Analyst

Maybe, Kathy, you talked earlier about Talon Blue that's been in the news. But talk more broadly maybe about your kind of overall CCA strategy. It seems like we've got Increment 1. It's moving a bit slower. You've got Talon Blue, but then you've also got the the MoCA Air program.

So what are the overall expectations? I mean do you kind of envision being a significant player in that market? Do we have to wait more for Increment 2 and some of the follow-on directives and orders from the Air Force? Or maybe just some color there.

Kathy Warden

Yes. We are waiting for direction, but we are engaging with all of our customers to utilize the expertise we have. As I've talked about before, we put over 500,000 flight outwards of experience with unmanned systems, more than anyone that I'm aware of in the world.

And so as a result, we're bringing that skill set to bear in 2 ways. One is in how an architecture of PCAs can work and integrate. And I talked earlier in response to Maggie's question about how Talon IQ is doing that, not just for us but for other companies who are developing autonomy software and command and control. And then for the platform itself, we are working to drive towards affordability, and scaled manufacturing because we know that's going to be important to deliver affordable maps.

We think that is going to be true across all customers, the services domestically and our international customers. So those are our goals for our product line. And we are demonstrating capability so that customers can see the art of the possible.

Unknown Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. And then just a quick follow-up on microelectronics. Would a potential direct investment from office with strategic capital or department award beyond the table there? Or is truly everything, any and all options on the table?

Kathy Warden

Everything is on the table. We believe there is such a strong commercial application for this that we are not wanting to be overly dependent on any government, particularly the U.S. government in this case, but all options are on the table.

Unknown Executive

Thanks, Josh. I'd like to turn the call back to Kathy to close, please.

Kathy Warden

Right. Thanks, Randy, and thanks to all of you for joining us. I just want to end by saying it's a really exciting time at Northrop Grumman. We are seeing a sustained and robust global demand cycle, and our team up and responding to that. We also see applications for leading technologies that we have for broader application to support shareholder value and to deliver new innovations to our customers.

And so you heard us talk about several examples of that today. I look forward to following up with all of you following the so we can share some more insights. Thanks for joining us.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation.