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Conferencia de resultados del T3 de 2026 de Finance of America (FOA): el volumen sube un 24%, se retira la previsión de BPA

4 de nov de 2026 8:04
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Finance of America reportó un volumen financiado de 748 millones de dólares en el tercer trimestre de 2026, un 24% más interanual. A pesar de una pérdida neta GAAP de 130 millones de dólares por ajustes de valor razonable y menor margen en Retirement Solutions, el beneficio neto ajustado fue de 6 millones de dólares. La directiva retiró su previsión de BPA ajustado para 2026 debido a presiones en los márgenes por tipos de interés, pero proyecta un volumen de 3.100 a 3.400 millones de dólares y un ritmo de ejecución del BPA ajustado de 4 a 5 dólares para la segunda mitad de 2027.

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Puntos clave

  • El volumen financiado en el tercer trimestre de 2026 alcanzó los 748 millones de dólares, lo que supone un aumento interanual del 24% y un crecimiento secuencial del 2%. La producción en lo que va de año aumentó un 17% hasta aproximadamente 2.100 millones de dólares.
  • Finance of America registró una pérdida antes de impuestos según GAAP de 130 millones de dólares, debida principalmente a cambios no monetarios en el valor razonable de activos residuales. El beneficio neto ajustado fue de 6 millones de dólares, o 0,28 dólares por acción.
  • El margen de ingresos de Retirement Solutions cayó al 9,0% desde el 11,3% de un año antes, frente a un promedio histórico del 10,7% desde el inicio de 2024. La directiva prevé que los cambios en precios, LTV y tipos de interés restablezcan los márgenes durante la primera mitad de 2027.
  • El volumen financiado minorista aumentó un 54% interanual hasta los 303 millones de dólares. La producción media mensual por agente de préstamos alcanzó los 1,2 millones de dólares, lo que representa un aumento de más del 40%, con una plantilla total del canal minorista prácticamente sin cambios.
  • La empresa ya no prevé alcanzar su previsión anterior de BPA ajustado para todo el año 2026 de 4,50-5,00 dólares. La directiva prevé que las ganancias ajustadas del cuarto trimestre se aproximen a los resultados del tercer trimestre.
  • Para 2027, la directiva proyecta un volumen financiado de 3.100-3.400 millones de dólares y un ritmo de ejecución (run rate) de BPA ajustado anualizado de aproximadamente 4-5 dólares durante la segunda mitad.

Datos financieros clave

MétricaT3 2026Comparación / Comentario
Volumen financiado748 millones de dólaresUn 24% más interanual; superior a los 730 millones de dólares del T2 2026
Producción en lo que va de añoAproximadamente 2.100 millones de dólaresUn 17% más frente a los 1.800 millones de dólares de los primeros nueve meses de 2025
Pérdida antes de impuestos según GAAP130 millones de dólaresReflejó principalmente cambios no monetarios en el valor razonable de activos residuales
Beneficio neto ajustado6 millones de dólaresEquivalente a 0,28 dólares por acción
Margen de ingresos de Retirement Solutions9,0%Inferior al 11,3% del T3 2025; el promedio histórico fue del 10,7%
Beneficio neto ajustado de Portfolio Management11 millones de dólaresEl rendimiento de la cartera se mantuvo en el rango medio del 10%-20% sobre aproximadamente 500 millones de dólares de participaciones beneficiarias retenidas
Efectivo y equivalentes de efectivo118 millones de dólares33 millones de dólares más que en el trimestre anterior
Generación de efectivo en lo que va de año145 millones de dólaresProcedente de actividades de originación y mercados de capitales
Cambios no monetarios en el valor razonable a nueve meses$(167) millones de dólaresEn comparación con los cambios positivos de 161 millones de dólares en los primeros nueve meses de 2025

Rendimiento operativo y del negocio

El canal mayorista se mantuvo como el mayor canal de Finance of America, representando casi el 60% del volumen financiado. Financió 444 millones de dólares durante el trimestre, un 10% más interanual. Las solicitudes del canal mayorista alcanzaron los 625 millones de dólares, subiendo un 6% secuencialmente hasta su nivel más alto en siete trimestres.

El volumen financiado minorista aumentó un 11% secuencialmente y un 54% interanual, hasta alcanzar los 303 millones de dólares. A pesar de contar con un 12% menos de oportunidades que en el T2, las solicitudes se mantuvieron estables y los préstamos financiados aumentaron un 9%. La directiva atribuyó la mejora al enfoque en oportunidades de mayor calidad y a las inversiones en tecnología.

El crecimiento de productos fue generalizado. El volumen de HECM aumentó un 14% interanual, el volumen de HomeSafe de primera garantía subió un 15% y HomeSafe Second avanzó un 63%. La empresa tiene previsto lanzar una versión en línea de crédito de HomeSafe Second y ampliar su gama de productos sobre el valor acumulado de la vivienda en 2027.

Las métricas del embudo digital también mejoraron. Los inicios de precualificación aumentaron un 89%, las oportunidades digitales crecieron un 61% y el tiempo medio desde el cliente potencial (lead) hasta la solicitud disminuyó a menos de seis días frente a los aproximadamente 20 días anteriores.

Previsiones de la directiva

La directiva prevé que el volumen financiado para todo el año 2026 se sitúe en la parte baja del rango de previsión comunicado previamente. Sin embargo, la empresa retiró su previsión anterior de BPA ajustado de 4,50-5,00 dólares debido a los menores márgenes del T3 y al tiempo necesario para que los precios revisados se trasladen a la cartera de préstamos en tramitación.

Se prevé que las ganancias ajustadas del T4 se aproximen a las del T3, cuando Finance of America generó un beneficio neto ajustado de 6 millones de dólares y un BPA ajustado de 0,28 dólares.

Para 2027, la empresa prevé un volumen financiado de 3.100-3.400 millones de dólares. La directiva se fijó como objetivo volver hacia el margen de ingresos histórico del 10,7% durante la primera mitad del año, impulsado por cambios en los precios de los productos, los LTV y los tipos de interés.

Se prevé que un mayor volumen y unos márgenes normalizados respalden un ritmo de ejecución (run rate) de BPA ajustado anualizado de aproximadamente 4-5 dólares durante la segunda mitad de 2027. La directiva señaló que esto se vería parcialmente compensado por menores ganancias en Portfolio Management como consecuencia de mayores tasas de descuento.

La empresa planea amortizar 60 millones de dólares en pagarés sénior garantizados y extender los aproximadamente 90 millones restantes hasta noviembre de 2027. La directiva expresó su confianza en que las operaciones principales, la actividad de amortización y reemisión de titulizaciones y la posible financiación de su activo HECM MSR respaldarán el reembolso de la deuda restante.

Riesgos y factores a vigilar

El rendimiento de los bonos del Tesoro a 10 años aumentó más de 75 puntos básicos durante el T3, presionando los márgenes de originación y generando ajustes no monetarios desfavorables en el valor razonable. La directiva enfatizó que los flujos de efectivo nominales esperados de los activos de la cartera afectados no habían cambiado de forma sustancial.

La recuperación del margen depende de que los precios revisados se filtren a través de un ciclo de financiación de hipotecas inversas que puede tardar entre 60 y 90 días. Nuevos cambios en los tipos de interés podrían requerir ajustes adicionales en los precios, los LTV y las condiciones de los productos.

La directiva también señaló que la financiación del primer trimestre suele ser la más baja del año debido a que las solicitudes disminuyen en torno al periodo festivo. Esta estacionalidad es una de las razones por las que el objetivo de ritmo de ejecución del BPA ajustado de la empresa se aplica a la segunda mitad de 2027 en lugar de a todo el año.

Puntos destacados de la sesión de preguntas y respuestas de analistas

Los analistas se centraron en la senda de retorno a los márgenes históricos. La directiva afirmó que los cambios recientes en precios, LTV y tipos de interés deberían restablecer el margen de ingresos medio hacia el 10,7% a medida que los préstamos más antiguos en tramitación sean sustituidos por la producción con nuevos precios. Las perspectivas para 2027 no asumen una trayectoria específica de los tipos de interés.

En cuanto a la asignación de capital, la directiva indicó que la recompra de acciones y los dividendos podrían convertirse en usos potenciales del efectivo una vez que se amorticen los aproximadamente 90 millones de dólares restantes de deuda. No se facilitaron plazos ni importes específicos.

La directiva también señaló que prevé que una eventual financiación del activo HECM MSR en la primera mitad de 2027 genere efectivo adicional, junto con el flujo de efectivo operativo y la actividad relacionada con titulizaciones.

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Hilary, and I'll be your conference moderator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome you to the Finance of America Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]

I will now turn the call over to Michael Fant, Senior Vice President of Finance. You may begin.

Michael Fant

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Finance of America's Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. With me today are Graham Fleming, Chief Executive Officer; Kristen Sieffert, President; and Matt Engel, Chief Financial Officer.

As a reminder, this call is being recorded, and you can find the earnings release and related presentation on our Investor Relations website at ir.financeofamericacompanies.com.

Also, I would like to remind everyone that comments on this conference call may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 regarding the company's expected operating and financial performance for future periods. These statements are based on the company's current expectations and are subject to the safe harbor statement for forward-looking statements that you will find in today's earnings release and related presentation. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements due to a number of risks or other factors, including those that are described in the Risk Factors section of Finance of America's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, filed with the SEC on March 13, 2026. Such risk factors may be amended and updated in our subsequent filings with the SEC. We are not undertaking any commitment to update these statements if conditions change.

Please note, today, we will be discussing interim period financials for our continuing operations, which are unaudited. In addition, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures on this call. You can find reconciliations of non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures to the extent available without unreasonable efforts in our earnings press release and presentation on the Investor Relations page of our website.

Now I'll turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Graham Fleming. Graham?

Graham Fleming

Thank you, Michael. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I go through the quarter in detail, I want to give you the 5 key takeaways from today's call. Everything in the rest of this call and the accompanying materials is an elaboration on these 5 points.

First, our volume this quarter grew 24% year-over-year, and we expect continued growth both in 2027 and beyond based on demographic trends and continued product development. Second, our retail platform is becoming more efficient and productive. Productivity per loan officer is up 40% compared to the third quarter of 2025. Third, margins compressed as the Fed shifted from cutting to raising interest rates. We have already made the necessary changes to product pricing, and we expect margins to return to historical levels in the first half of 2027.

Fourth, we have generated $145 million of cash from originations and capital markets activities year-to-date, including $33 million of cash this quarter, which we have used to complete several capital actions this year. And finally, we expect adjusted earnings per share of between $4 to $5 on an annual run rate basis during the second half of 2027, driven by higher volume and normalized margins, partially offset by lower portfolio management earnings resulting from higher discount rates.

Turning to Slide 5. Third quarter funded volume was $748 million, compared with $730 million in Q2 2026 and $603 million in Q3 2025, that means growth both sequentially and year-over-year. Through September, year-to-date production was approximately $2.1 billion versus $1.8 billion in the first 9 months of 2025 or an increase of 17% year-over-year. That progress is part of the longer story.

Since 2023, we have been investing in a more focused reverse mortgage platform, a broader proprietary product offering and the technology and distribution capabilities needed to reach more homeowners. Finance of America has grown volumes on average by 20% each year since 2023.

The third quarter was a challenging rate environment with the 10-year Treasury yields increasing over 75 basis points during the quarter, a reaction to the Fed's pivot to raising rates and elevated inflation. Higher rates create 2 distinct challenges, noncash fair value adjustments to certain assets within our portfolio and near-term pressure on origination margins and inventory due to the challenge of repricing customers already in our pipeline.

During the first 9 months of 2026, we recorded $167 million in unfavorable noncash changes in fair value of our portfolio assets and liabilities. That same mechanism produced $161 million in positive fair value changes during the first 9 months of 2025. This is primarily a discount rate effect, not a cash flow effect. The expected nominal cash flows from these assets has not materially changed.

Additionally, our Retirement Solutions revenue margin was impacted in the third quarter, decreasing to 9% compared with 11.3% in the third quarter of 2025 and a historical average since the start of 2024 of 10.7%. We believe these impacts are temporary and do not change the underlying fundamentals of our business.

Notably, neither of these challenges change the long-term demand for our products nor the opportunity we see to continue scaling our platform. In fact, we have successfully navigated similar periods before, such as 2022 when the Fed raised rates 7x for a total of 425 basis points. When rising rates reduced margins, we responded with product and pricing changes that improve the economics of new production over time.

During October, we made the necessary changes to our product offerings, and we expect that our revenue margin will return to our historical averages over the first half of 2027. While the near-term interest rate environment remains dynamic, we continue to focus on the levers within our control, pricing appropriately for the environment, improving conversion and productivity, managing costs and preserving financial flexibility.

With respect to capital allocation, we will repay $60 million of our senior secured notes and we will exercise our right to extend the remaining approximately $90 million to November 2027. We believe that in the current environment, this is a prudent choice as this increases the company's financial flexibility.

Before I turn it over to Kristen and Matt, I want to take a moment to acknowledge our team. Thanks to the hard work, our operating strategy is delivering on production and productivity.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Kristen.

Kristen Sieffert

Thanks, Graham, and good afternoon, everyone. Last quarter, I highlighted an important evolution in our business, our ability to generate more production from the opportunities already entering our platform. This quarter proved it under pressure.

Against the capital markets headwinds Graham described, that shift matters more than ever, and our focus remains on 3 things: sustaining growth, increasing productivity and turning our investments into compounding benefits. First, production growth remained resilient in a difficult market. We funded 24% more this quarter than in the third quarter of last year.

Turning to Slide 7. The contrast with the traditional mortgage market is stark. From 2024 through our 2027 outlook, our funded volume grows more than 60%, better than 17% per year. The forward mortgage industry grows about 6% a year over the same period. Next year, per the recent MBA forecast, the forward market shrinks by 5% against double-digit growth for FOA. The difference is demand. Ours is driven by retirement need, not refinancing incentives. Higher rates affect borrower proceeds, but they do not eliminate our customers' need for financial flexibility in retirement.

On Slide 8, we show the consistent growth our platform has experienced. Since 2023, our submission volumes have increased by 21% annually, while our funded volumes grown by 20% annually. This is across our product suite as HECM volume is up 14% year-over-year, HomeSafe first liens are up 15% and HomeSafe Second are up 63%. That breadth is deliberate. Each of our products serves a different homeowner need, and together, they give us multiple paths to growth even when pricing pressure affects individual products. That's why in a quarter when benchmark rates rose sharply and traditional mortgage industry applications declined, our submission volume grew by 20% and our funded UPB grew by 24% year-over-year. Our growth comes from conversion, productivity and product range and our 2027 outlook assumes no benefit from rates.

Wholesale remains our largest channel, representing nearly 60% of funded volume. It funded $444 million in the quarter, up 10% year-over-year, and submissions reached $625 million, up 6% sequentially and the highest level in 7 quarters. Second, our operating model is becoming more productive. Retail funded volume increased 11% sequentially and 54% year-over-year to $303 million.

Slide 9 shows how even with 12% fewer opportunities than in Q2, which was a result of a deliberate shift to quality over quantity, submissions held steady and funded loans rose 9%. This continued move to quality, coupled with our technology advancements, lifted production per loan officer to an average of $1.2 million per month in the third quarter, up nearly 9% sequentially and more than 40% year-over-year. Productivity has risen year-over-year in each quarter of 2026, and the gain is not a denominator effect. Total retail headcount is essentially unchanged from a year ago.

Third, the investments we made this year were built to compound. We expect to keep improving retail funnel conversion and loan officer productivity in 2027 and to deliver continued efficiency gains in operations and our G&A expenses as volume grows over a stable cost base.

Our digital platform is scaling. In the third quarter, prequalification starts rose 89%, digital opportunities grew 61% and time from lead to application fell to under 6 days from roughly 20. And new website launches in the first half of 2027 will lift funnel conversion further.

We are also broadening our product suite. The line of credit version of HomeSafe Second launches soon. And next year, we will expand the suite further as we move from the leader in reverse mortgages toward becoming the leader in home equity solutions for retirement.

We cannot control where rates go. We can control conversion, cost and pricing, and we are getting better at all 3. Our growth is driven by demographics, not the rate cycle, and that is why we expect to keep growing through this market and to convert that growth into stronger, more consistent earnings power.

With that, I'll turn it over to Matt.

Matthew Engel

Thank you, Kristen. Good afternoon, everyone. On a GAAP basis, the company recognized a pretax loss of $130 million, primarily reflecting noncash fair value changes on residual assets, partially offset by a reduction in the fair value liability of our convertible notes. It is important to distinguish these noncash fair value adjustments from the underlying economics of our portfolio. While changes in market rates affect the current valuation of certain assets, these assets continue to accrete, and we ultimately expect to monetize these assets over time. We continue to believe our residual assets represent meaningful long-term economic value, and our focus remains on managing the portfolio to maximize that value.

As shown on Slide 10, adjusted net income for the quarter was $6 million or $0.28 per share. As Graham and Kristen mentioned, the key driver of lower adjusted earnings was lower revenue margins in our Retirement Solutions segment. These results were impacted by the increase in benchmark rates during the third quarter. We consider these as temporary in nature, not because we anticipate the rate environment to move in our favor, but because of the nature of our platform.

Although fair values declined, our Portfolio Management segment still generated adjusted net income of $11 million as our portfolio continued to accrete a yield in the mid-teens against retained beneficial interest of approximately $500 million.

Cost discipline remained a key focus as well. Total expenses, excluding securitization-related expenses, increased by only $2 million, with this coming from an increase in subservicing expense associated with the HECM portfolio we acquired on June 30.

Variable compensation rose with the growth in our retail platform Kristen mentioned, and this was offset by a reduction in marketing expense as we focus our efforts on higher-value opportunities.

Turning to the balance sheet. Our cash and cash equivalents increased to $118 million as of September 30 as we generated $33 million over the prior quarter. For the year, we have generated $145 million in cash from originations and capital markets activity, which we have used to complete several significant capital transactions, including the repurchase of Blackstone's remaining equity position and the acquisition of Onity's HECM servicing portfolio.

Leveraging our strong cash position, we will complete the $60 million paydown on our senior secured notes later this month.

Looking forward, we expect to achieve the low end of our previously communicated full year 2026 funded volume guidance range of $2.8 billion to $3.8 billion -- $3.1 billion, excuse me. However, we no longer expect to achieve our adjusted EPS guidance for the full year 2026 of $4.50 to $5 as a result of the decreased margins in the third quarter and the time it takes for the changes we have already made to make their way through our pipeline. We anticipate the fourth quarter will approximate our third quarter adjusted earnings results.

Looking ahead to 2027, we expect funded volume to reach $3.1 billion to $3.4 billion, a growth rate similar to what we have achieved over the past several years, supported by consumer demographics, our product breadth and ongoing conversion improvements. This increase in funded volume, combined with the expected return to normalized margins by product and channel, though partially offset by lower portfolio management earnings resulting from the higher discount rates, should allow Finance of America to achieve a run rate adjusted earnings per share of approximately $4 to $5 on an annualized basis during the second half of 2027.

Looking ahead, our priorities are unchanged, continue to grow our operating platform to produce strong recurring earnings, maintain sufficient liquidity to support the business and allocate capital where we believe it can produce the most attractive risk-adjusted returns.

With that, I will turn the call back to Graham for closing remarks.

Graham Fleming

Thank you, Matt. We have built a platform capable of delivering sustained production growth across different market environments, and this quarter demonstrated that progress. While the current rate environment has pressured earnings, we have taken action to improve margins and remain focused on increasing productivity, generating cash and maintaining financial flexibility.

Looking ahead, we are confident that the long-term demand for home equity solutions remains substantial. With our leading market position, expanding product offerings and continued operational improvements, we are well positioned to capitalize on this opportunity and translate our growth into stronger earnings over time.

And with that, I'll open the call to questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta from Alliance Global Partners.

Preguntas y respuestas

Gaurav Mehta

Matt, I wanted to go back to your comments about your expectations of revenue margins expected to go back to historical trends, and you talked about some pricing and product adjustments that you have made. Can you maybe provide some more color on those adjustments and what gives you confidence that you can get back to the historical revenue margins in a high rate environment?

Matthew Engel

I guess a couple of things, Gaurav. We have made changes to our pricing already in the last few weeks to LTVs and interest rates that we believe will restore those margins back to our historical levels. On top of that, of course, we don't know where the rates will go in the future, but rates have come back quite a bit during the month of October. And so we feel pretty confident that heading into 2027, as the pipeline with the old rates and LTVs works its way through that the new production coming in will be at that margin.

So our guidance kind of reflects that Q4 will still be a little bit down on the margin because we have that pipeline still coming through. But then as the new production starts to come through in the first quarter, we expect those margins to get back to historical levels.

Gaurav Mehta

Okay. And as a follow-up, can you also maybe discuss what your interest rate assumption is for your 2027 guidance?

Graham Fleming

What was the first part of the question, Gaurav?

Unknown Executive

Interest rate assumption for 2027.

Graham Fleming

We're agnostic to the interest rate environment. We'll adjust our products, our rates and our LTVs to yield the revenue margin -- the historical revenue margin that we had, which is, as I said in my remarks, 10.7%. So we will adjust our products to achieve that revenue margin. We don't have an expectation for interest rates in 2027. That's not -- we'll react to whatever the [indiscernible].

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Timothy D'Agostino from B. Riley.

Timothy D'Agostino

I guess just quickly circling back on the guidance. You mentioned your margins should return in the first half of '27, I believe you said the first quarter. So I guess thinking about the $4 to $5 of adjusted EBITDA or EPS, sorry, run rate for the second half of 2027. I guess it kind of -- it would be good to get some color on why you're leaning away from the first half. Again, you expect margins to return. Are there anything else -- is there anything else you want to kind of flag for the first half as to why you're maybe not talk about touching guidance there?

Graham Fleming

Yes. We just have a longer lead time with reverse mortgages as a senior cycle. So we don't have an application to funding cycle that's, call it, 21 days or 30 days, right? Consumers need to go through counseling, right? We need to go through process. We just have a longer lead time. And when we bring new submissions into the pipeline and new leads into the call center, it's roughly a 60- or 90-day time line before they turn into funded inventory. So that's the reason for potentially having a longer time line.

So I'm not going to say it won't be the first quarter, but we also -- look, we just had midterms today, potentially rates move again in December, maybe one more time, right, which will cause us to move our margins again. So we're probably building in a little bit of cushion. We're just a little uncertain if the rates are going to move 1 or 2 more times, and we'll have to adjust our products and margins again to match that.

Matthew Engel

I would probably add to that as well. If you look at our funding patterns in the last few years, generally, our first quarter fundings are the lowest of the year, submissions dip a little bit over the holiday period. So we still expect strong year-over-year growth, but sequentially, that Q1 is usually our softest. So it's a combination of what Graham said and perhaps that pattern as well.

Timothy D'Agostino

Okay. That's helpful. And then if I could just ask a second one. Just on cash and capital allocation, you had mentioned using cash for Onity HECM servicing portfolio, Blackstone equity position, thinking out to now November, you have the $60 million of debt. So I guess, capital allocation and cash use in 2027, outside of that additional $90 million worth of debt, how else could you return capital to shareholders? Can you share with us maybe plans on that? Could it be potential share buybacks, a dividend? Just kind of trying to understand how you think about that.

Graham Fleming

Yes, all of the above. Like once we retire the $90 million, we are continuing to generate cash through our operations and our [indiscernible] activity on the balance sheet. So yes, share buybacks and dividends are both likely outcomes once we retire the $90 million unsecured debt.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Poggi from Raymond James.

Gabriel Poggi

So my first question is you guys are going to pay down $60 million on the notes this month. Can we just walk through and it kind of piggybacks on Tim's prior question, kind of how you're thinking about cash usage, et cetera, to get to the $90 million a year from now? That's 2?

Matthew Engel

Yes. I guess a couple of things, Gabe. I think, first, as Graham mentioned, we have a number of prior securitizations that we have continued to call and reissue activity. So we expect over the course of 2027 to generate additional cash from that activity. And then also, as we've talked about in prior calls, we are still pursuing financing on our HECM MSR asset that we don't know the exact timing of that, but we expect that certainly in the first half of '27, generated significant additional cash from that as well. So core operations, the call and reissue activity and the HECM MSR, the combination of those 3 gives us high level of confidence that the $90 million will be easily paid off at the end of next year.

Gabriel Poggi

Got it. And then I had a question on -- you guys talked about returning to historical margins late -- I guess, late one half '27, and that's been the inflection point to get to your new guidance in the back half of the year. What exactly is that historical margin number that you guys are using or pointing to just for modeling purposes? I know you've given some volume guidance, but where do you think margins should shake out or could shake out as we get towards the back half of next year?

Matthew Engel

So I'd say, on average, that historical margin is about 10.7%, right? We've seen some quarters higher than that. We've seen some quarters lower than that, right, as things change. But that's the number we're kind of targeting. Again, I think we'll get back to those margins in the first half of '27. The volume, we're down a little bit in Q1, most likely and then starting to hit our stride in Q2 seasonally. And so that's what really kind of leads to the guidance for the second half of the year.

Operator

This concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Graham Fleming for closing remarks.

Graham Fleming

Yes. I want to thank everybody for joining our call today, and we look forward to updating you in March on our full year 2026 results. Thank you very much, everybody, for joining the call today.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.

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